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WASN'T shown. Goddammit.

Gargaj: My point and argument is that I'd want to hear an explanation for the decision made by the ones in charge. There has been a lot of conversation about the matter but no statement from the assembly organizers. Well, wouldn't be the first time when the asm organizers drink their cups of fresh STFU when trying to ask a question.

If people are so goddamn curious who STS are, why didn't they ask Medicine Man? He was at Breakpoint twice already.

I think he even participated in a fun compo..

Anyway, the glaring similarity with the online gallery of suicide barbies I would definitely throw under artistic license (though marginally so), but the music is pretty much a Timbaland. The credits sure don't mention anything about this being a very royal "remix" of anything.

abyss dude answer your emails already :-)

Waffle: the policy is at is stands and has worked well for years.

This is about being a competition. Competitions are designed to bring out the best and to reward them. The jury ensures that the quality of the entries is consistently high and joke prods etc are weeded out, and thus ensures that the compos are run on time. ASM juries consistently mirror the voting results at ASM, so it is fully representative of how your entry would fare at ASM. If you are making an artyfarty entry to entertain your own yet-to-be-understood-artistic sensibilities, you are better off at another event as we all know.

Entries are made for competitions at a particular party, not for pointless and exceedingly lame re-submitting of them until a sufficiently weak quality compo is found. Do your best at the compo and have the humility to accept defeat if there are entries better than yours.

If all you crave is visibility for your entry, even the qualified entries that are not shown on the big screen, get a HUGE amount of publicity, because they are distributed as part of ASM compos.

The compos at ASM are high quality (just look at the parties where this year's scene.org awards winners were released) and have been so for years. This is a competition, and your enter to compete. Live with it.

sorry but this is utter bullshit. if my entry doesn't get played, it doesn't mean _anything_ about quality. at breakpoint, like 150 songs were entered, like 15 were played, so would you say the rest has been "defeated"? and there is nothing lame with resubmitting - i want my work rewarded by listening my tune on big speakers and letting others listen it, i don't give a damn about the "huge" publicity which i'd get if it'd get spread with the asm releases (seriously, who checks out the music compo entries after the party anyway?).

I agree. Entries shouldn't be "defeated" by a jury. Preselection is fine to keep compos short and free of funprods, but to say that an entry "competed and lost" if it didn't pass preselection is arrogant and disrespectful.

abyss: Thank you for the answer.

I agree that 90% of the not shown entries are crap but in some cases there has been material which wasn't shown for obscure reasons or just due to the absolute limit in shown entries.

This is bad in the case of music competitions and when people have distinctively different artistic taste than what the jury has(damn... maybe I should participate the jury next year :)).

The pre-selection is there to grade all entries that participate in the competition and we release the jury scores also. So yes, in the context of the competition those entries did lose out to the ones that made to the big screen.

Does it mean that your entry has worse "quality" you got a third place in a compo instead of a first place? Not on a subjective quality judgment (it might go to wiscene.org awards for all we know), but on this competition the entry that got the first place won the competition.

This is the point I'm making. You are participating in a competition and in the context of that competition there are winners and losers and grades and points and standings. It doesn't mean jack shit out of the context. My personal favourites aren't always the same that win the competitions, but that doesn't change the fact that somebody won that compo.

abyss: I don't think this is the point really. If something got shown in a compo, and people have voted against it, then you lose. Your entry is released, people didn't like it, democracy, etc.

With jury preselection there is no democracy. If an entry is not shown to the audioence, the audience haven't voted for it, and you can't lose. You've been taken the chance to compete. That's a different thing. And if you are not allowed to compete due to a jury decision, IMHO it should be possible for you to hand in your entry to a different compo at a different party so your entry actually is able to *compete* with others in front of an audience.

scamp, just wondering, did you get my e-mail?

Abyss has a point, but i still disagree about spreading the not-shown entries...

This is mainly because demoparties have a really strict policy about competing with entries that have been seen somewhere sometime already, whereas most "media art festivals" (or whatever) accept entries that have already been released even a few years ago. Some films can even compete (and WIN) in several different festivals and that doesn't seem to bother the organizers.

I'm not saying this policy should become a part of the demoscene (i wanna see fresh demos on compos too), but party organizers could relax a bit about the exclusivity which they require for their parties. Seriously. The demos are not the party organizer's property but the artists'.

abyss: I think there are people who wouldn't agree that an entry has been part of the compo if it was discarded during preselection. Specifically, those would be the people who worked hard to produce stuff in order to (try to) have it presented at the party.

At the streaming music compo at tUM*o3 a song won which hasn't made it through the preselection. Both, Skyrunner and cute visitors like me were speechless ...

bring back rob is jarig for every party! re-releasing is not a crime ;)

spreading releases is overrated anyway.. (*hint* at black maiden, tbl)

And that Maddy, is called 'namevoting like a motherfucker' ;)

Offcourse the ASM-system sucks monkeyballs and it's very unrespectfull towards the scene. But in the end it are the rules of that party, and everyone that participate in teir compo's has to accept their rules. If you're not ok with the rules, just don't enter your entry in that competition. It's not like there are no other parties to submit it.

v3nomsoup: Fuckings to organizers! One of the mentioned releases will be out "next week".

okkie: Back in the days namevoting wasn't that easy since the compos were anon. IIRC it was one of the first parties with intranet music streams from the competitions.

people: Don't blame Assembly organizing for their rules in a thread about copyright infrigment at Breakpoint. We should stay on topic.

If your entry wasn't shown but released, then make it better (for some strange reasons musicians call that a remix) and contact the organizers of the other party before you hand it in. Has often worked and will do.

scamp: ftp://ftp1.untergrund.net/breakpoint/2006/Animation_Video/NO-COPY-Film.swf is still a lame re-release.

T-Shirt material.

Madenmann: Halt einfach die Fresse, verpiss Dich und kauf Dir ein Leben. Du nervst.

(No, we will NOT change anything about Breakpoint *2006* anymore.)

Exactly. And a lot of people have complained about those rules for many years already. They haven't been changed before and probably won't be changed in the future, so complaining about it apparently doesn't help. It's time to vote with your entries and just not enter them at ASM if you don't like it. There's plenty of other good parties around. Which is exactly why I haven't bothered entering anything at ASM for many years now.