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axel: and http://www.katastro.fi/

That's exactly the aim of the AADN and cyber nostra associations in france. With lots of contacts with authorities, they provide a very innovative and very state-backed framework for digital artists. This state-backing means more money to organize events, and could also mean the possibility someday to get paid to do demos.

There are also european union funds for digital art projects, and through these associations it could be possible to get contacts and help to make a good application for them. Then you could get paid to do demos, yes. :-)

ps: and www.davidhasselhoff.com

ps: yeah I think digitalekultur on a European level not just a German one would be the thing that I meant. :)

or maybe even on a worldwide level... i mean demos could be pitched to all sorts of stations and festivals, no matter where they are.

@Axel
Please check out the following pages:
- http://www.demoscene.info/ (it's related to Digitale Kultur e.V.)
- http://www.scene.org/dog/ (Demoscene Outreach Group - read articles about it in Hugi 21 and Hugi 24 and an interview with the founder, aancsiid a.k.a. Vincent Scheib, in Hugi 25)

There have been some efforts to promote demos outside the Scene. Get informed on them, and then come back in order to discuss what else could/should be done (and who should do it).

thanks for the lesson

I can't wait to see the day when...

- I have to pay to watch a demo without Google Ads
- Demos are interrupted by TV ads
- Groups need sponsors to be able to found their entries and their work
- Political Correctness becomes an issue in demoscene
- MPAA meddles to rate a demo PG13 or Adult Only
- "Demoscene for dummies" and "Werkzeug Max 5 in 21 days" books are released
- Adok is promoted Minister for demoscene development

I really can't wait ;)

forgot "the black book of demoscene clues" by Okkie of course ;)

heh Keops sorry to have forgotten the Atari demos ;)

i've found a nice site with microkids videos, some are fun to watch, specially the interview of a shy Eric Chahi about his masterpiece Another World and his 'revolutionary' animation and compression technics :)


damn wtf are waiting the current public channels to educate the counterstrike kids ? :D

Funny that you should mention http://www.abandonware-videos.org/ because I was browsing it quickly this morning at work to find Microkids videos :)

*nostalgia*

MicroKid's \o/

That already happened ;-)

adok: erm, dog has been dead for over 3 years. and their only activity was beeing present at siggraph a couple times.. O_o could you atleast try to keep up to date? i know you cant resist a chance to spam hugi but apply some constraint.


anyways, as questioned initially, best methods to make demoscene on tv look interesting, not just show demos but explain how stuff is made. if you got 2 hours a week, split it between 1 hour to show new stuff/partyreports/interviews and another to teach people how things are done, from the groundups of code reference to state of the art of compression algorthythms, softsynth technology, fractal generation theory, rendering technics.. plenty of topics to fill up air time with... just need contacts with ppl in on the action and do your fucking homework (which most reporters never seem to really do when it comes to demoscene stuff)

ps: Well, the dog mailing list still exists, and I get mail from them about once a week. Moreover, AFAIK the dog was also involved in the organizing of Pilgrimage.

Personally, I don't see the point of spreading demos to regular people who could care less about this sort of thing. But I do think it's definitely worthwhile to try to reach people who would be into demos if only they had heard about them (especially kids who are getting into graphics/programming-- not sure if that ever happens anymore).

So what are the ways of doing that? I think the most important thing is like what Smash said-- if demos are good enough, they will just spread themselves. People will be running them at computer conventions and/or showing them to their friends. So the best thing you can do to expose the scene to more people is to make demos that are as amazing as possible.

Another way is by including small demos with an unrelated production. There used to be loaders spread around with pirated games, so that gave demos a lot of exposure. After that, there were trackers, which were by far the best way to make music with home PCs for quite a number of years. Early trackers were often distributed with small demos (eg. Mental Surgery was often distributed with ST2.25). Most people who got into tracking have at least a passing familiarity with demos.

These days, I'm not sure what the demo scene offers that just gets spread around to people who are into computers but who have never heard of demos. Perhaps it's time to get to work on that.

Assembly is keen on that ;)

I don't think explaining on TV what demos are and how they're made, let alone fractal generation theory or rendering techniques would work. Plus I doubt that a tv station would dedicate 2 hours a week to such a bizarre topic :) Of course, if we're talking about stations who don't run ANY program at night, then that might be a different case.

the angle of DigitaleKultur has convinced me the most so far. The site looks professional, a bit business-like, and especially the name sounds professional, whereas media might be suspicious about working with "Cyber Nostra" (no offense).

My question is, is there a reason why DigitaleKultur solely focuses on the German demoscene? Wouldn't it be wise to have a "global" one? Groups in each country could give contact details of local tv-stations and festivals, which could then be approached by the respresentative. A centralisation of all the efforts, know what i mean?

but yeah i admit, I'm not on top of things yet regarding which efforts have already been undertaken, but thanks for being patient with me. I'm really interested in hearing more opinions.

A Hungarian show called Cinetrip used to air demos once a week (albeit the channel itself was rather polar considering target audience), dunno if it still goes.

you also spoke at a festival or so, is that correct? what was the feedback you got?

what exatly is political correectness?
especially towards issiues like:
- piratebay
- usa foreign politics
- israel/lebanon thingie
- goatse

"good demos get spread themselfs" <- horseshit

we're living in consumer society. no marketing => no public awareness.

it's not enough to do good stuff, you need to show it to people. doesnt mean you should be doing sub-par crap and hyping it to stardom, on the contrary, mindblowing good demos make it easier to spread the word. but it's not a "if its good it'll get out by itself thing"

it's getting out couz we are telling people about it. even if it's mostly through computer geek friends circles.

axel: if you would focus it on the visuals instead of the theory it might work. the techies would pay attention to whats beeing said, the other people would go "woo look at those cool visuals"

Ps: I agree with you on the issue that good demos don't get spread by themselves. It's like in the music industry. Lots of good music around, but no one is buying it.

in a perfect world Paimen wouldbe shown on tv every half an hour.