pouët.net

Commercial application ( services ) on pouet ?!?!

It's free.

yes sir, running it now. Thats very cool, thanks.

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Fully free for now, sounds like on-demand demo watching will cost $10/year in future but parts will remain free.

It's a good app anyway, and dtv on iphone = instant win :)

Eh, how come it's listed as an artpack?! Surely demopack!

yes

I don't know. It doesn't work over 3G (says it needs WiFi, while Youtube works fine over 3G) and it says it's free for just a while.

apple restrict what you're allowed to do over 3g. Youtube works, but uses a lower bitrate over 3g to keep bandwidth down.

I guess it's possible for dtv too, but the current videos are good quality and it'd perhaps mean re-encoding everything.

Btw, how about an option to download videos for playback later when you're not on wifi? I did an app a while back that does that, it works pretty well (although it's not possible to watch the video while it downloads - you have to download then watch).

outreach

no download=no prod
strong candidate for deletion

Missing 'add to favorites' feature. Otherwise good!

The app is great, but I doubt it belongs here Gloom. It is not a demoscene release.

Well, things by Demoscene.TV have been released earlier, so I don't see anything wrong with it in this day and age, but if it turns into a paid version only, then it needs to go. Until that, I'm digging it :)

I don't see a problem (for now at least) too. It's effectively a massive demo pack. There's a whole bunch of those on here. And yeah, it's videos and not binaries, but so are all the demo dvds.

Havoc: there's no download for a lot of stuff these days, more of it is moving online. Stick to the oldschool stuff or quit whining :)

I love it! :D

psonice: this has all been discussed before, i dont feel like reiterating that.

doesen't have my iphone atm but i'm sure it rocks

9,90 Euro/year for VOD funtionality for content that has not even been done by you but entirely by other ppl and entirely for free? You must be fucking kidding me.

If the money is spent on improving dtv or actually RUNNING it, what's the problem? You also didn't get PD/demo/... CDs/collections/whatever for free in the past, because you actually had to PAY for the physical media.

yes, IF.
9,90 Euro/year is expensive, and it is NOT for the app (which is quite good ofc) but mainly for the VOD functionality.
"DTV, you make it, you watch it...on your Iphone!" As long as you pay for it! No, thanks. This expensive fee along with the desperate cry for donations, coming hand in hand, to me does not look like just wanting to run DTV, it smells like scam to me, like ripping off.. and I wonder if I am the only one.

Great Idea
me love :)

Nice, but I think the idea is from me.
I tryed to bring Demoscene.tv to http://www.dailyme.tv/ about 1 year ago.
But Demoscene.tv was to lame ;)
dailyme.tv has an Anrdoid, Symbian, Win Mobile, iPhone, J2ME Clients.

Dude, what? That's like, two beers or smth.. are you srsly that poor?

Didn't check out the app yet, will do later..

okkie: over here you get a whole box of premium beer for 9,90€
that's 24 bottles/year = 2 bottles/month
RECONSIDER!

apple sucks!

equalizing the previous subjective rating. I'm a proud iPhone user.

Me i like the iphone, like the excellent coverage by DTV

The fact to ask (ME) later to pay 9,90 Euros later to watch things i did without getting paid for it, SUCKS !

So whoever try to make money with things i did for pleasure and without getting only one cent for it .... gets a DOWNVOTE

I seriously wonder if demoscene.tv has asked the authors of the content it's going to stream for a license. This pretty obviously is commercial use of demo.

scamp is the only aware person to comment so far.

i mean WTF.

+ what H2o_ said

maybe when i own one of those things

demoscene.tv should do what yotube.com does - put ads on the page rather than charge per view

well is it free now or is it not?

I want an Android version!

it's free and sound good for me :)

I like watching demos in the toilet.
yes, INSIDE it

In this case I'm going to ask demoscene.tv to remove my demos from their website.

Nice idea to make iPhone app for demoscene.tv but it should be completely free or the demo makers should also get paid for it spotify style

The app is very good actually! BUT!

as dairos said: Nice idea to make iPhone app for demoscene.tv but it should be completely free or the demo makers should also get paid for it spotify style

(if you asked for money for the app that would be fine though)

scamp: then again they had google ads on their website for ages, so i dont see why one should make an issue out of it NOW.

it may be commercial use of demos, but if the profits go towards keeping demosceneTV running, what's the big deal?

farfar: i heard quite a bunch of ppl who are not happy that somebody is earning a fulltime salary off their freeware stuff. myself, i haven't made my mind up yet...

I guess that's a valid complaint. I don't personally have a problem with it, because I like the service that DTV provides, and enjoy watching livefeeds from parties, etc.

oh well.

What farfar said

Yes, i totally agree with scamp, h2o and tobé. I know what dtv did for the scene for the last years. and these guys have my deepest respect for that. thank you. BUT if there is a non transparent way of making money with FREE ! content including MY content i created in my sparetime and not knowing what this money is used for i am going to inform dtv that my demos have to be removed from their servers. Apple on the other hand gives a SHIT bout my 1 year old iphone wich is broken and the warranty is exhausted now. the idea for your FREE app is great. I think there are other ways to get the money together like donations etc. keep it so or lose my content. greetings comicollie/nuance

It's exactly these kinds of comments that will make the people behind this app reconsider charging for it.

That said, I don't think it's expensive, but it is probablt too much just to cover bandwidth expenses (which is a legitimate thing to try to cover when dealing with streaming video).

Not free = SUCKS.

Dudes... 9,90 a year.. How can you afford to pay for your DSL if you consider that expensive? And yeah, if the money goes to pay for demoscene.tv i'd be happy to pay for it like this instead of some random donation.

make it like SoLo2, sell your OWN stuff :P

i understand they need to pay for stuff. but somehow this is the wrong way to do it. i'd rather pay a $4 PayPal party live-stream fee, for each major party they broadcast live - or something.

that somehow seems a lot more sensible to me as the content they stream (interviews, analysis, etc) are largely THEIR OWN...bar the big-screen compo sections of course. ;)

on second thoughts, make that $1 per major party stream.

These people tried to improve the scene and haven't the money to do that anymore... oh well you knew that already.. we should ban entrance fees for demoparties!

mad for president

wow, hardcore communist crowd in here..

Hey guys,

after doing some sports my mind is free again after a shitty day with the german telekom and a broken iphone.

Ok. Things are never as bad as they seem. We are all grown-up people and can talk about this in a calm way.

I dont think that the price for this application / the fee per year is high. I think its ok.
I would even pay a 50 bucks for it.

But, and this is the main point for me which gives me an unwell feeling:
I worked for several big TV shows and for some animated movies as a 3d and
gfx artist. But not I was the one who get the big money out of it but the businessmen inbetween.

I do gfx for a living as a artist and its really hard these days to get the right job
and most of all well payed. we all can experience this fact these days.

A lot of people come to me and say: "hey you are a good gfx artist - can you do
this or that for me ?" a tattoo, a airbrush concept for my car etc.
but if we come to talk about money theres the point where the separation between the weat from
the chaff begins. They want it mostly for free. I dont say i am the best gfx artist in the world. far from that. but they come to
me and like my work. so why shouldnt i get well-payed for my hard work ?

to get to the point:

If i´d be asked i´d like to do demos all day long. for a living. That would be my dreamjob.
no boundaries - no limits in taste, genre or message. just art !
The guys from dtv changed their hobby, their passion for the scene into their business.
But not with demos, art or content but with the publication of it.

Like all "businessmen" do these days.

My problem with all this is, that IF EVER a big sponsor or someone deeply interested in the scene comes up or "discovers" US, the scene
(NOT DTV) because of entering "itunesland" with this app to show the rest of the world what we are creating, what we are able to do, our skills, to show who we are. THEN i hope that the people who create demos like we do get a little peace of the cake and not only the people who are marketing it.

I am not thinking primarily about money. no. i am talking about respect, acceptance and recognition.

to get THE job, the gratification i am dreaming of.

Sorry, i simply had to many bad experiences with "businessmen" who are just using my stuff to make money from.

I made the experience that its often not the message or the meaning or the quality of something that counts but if something can be sold.
Remember bp2009 ? where we had high hopes on a BIG ! sponsor who let down the scene in the end for saving their own butts.
and bp was almost cancelled.

I dont want money for my demos/content. use it - share it - enjoy it - hate it - whatever.

BUT DTV: if IT happens (and i have high hopes in you - you guys are cool - good luck) that the scene suddenly
gets THAT splendid boost in publicity because of your app, that every coder every gfx or soundartist of us can really do
what he/she is made for - for a living. not creating shitty ringtones for mobile phones or crap thats sold as games for phones,
or content for stupid tv shows

THEN ! dtv don´t become like the sponsor we all know who let us down last year.

now is the time that we are supporting you. someday you can return the favour.
Because its not the app that will bring you there nor some businesskills or tactics but the content the scene is creating.

kind regards
Cosmic

gargaj: There is a huge difference between advertisting and pay-to-view-streams.

With ads, anyone is able to access the contect, which is copyrighted by their authors, for free - which pretty much is the intention of most releasing a demo. With pay-to-view-streams access to these goods is sold. Most demos don't come with a license attached that clearly state the usage limitations, but law (and moral) is: If it's not allowed by the author, you shouldn't assume commercial use is OK.

IMHO they'd need the OK from anyone whose demo they are showing, just like the mindcandys are asking for these OKs (because they sell access to demos).
scamp: then again they had google ads on their website for ages, so i dont see why one should make an issue out of it NOW.

erm, ignore the last line please ;)

scamp: Good point, but do we know that they are going to sell the demos without getting permission? If I've understood it correctly, the commercial service hasn't been launched yet...

permission or not, demos are noncommercial products unless stated otherwise, juridically they'll get a tough time if they start to charge money for it and i hope some ppl will mutter cos this is NOT acceptable. let them suck more french cock to get their subsidaries and lazy ass about.. but not on my cash...

that doesnt matter. i say get the pitchforks, torches and stake out NOW! just in case.

I would not be surprised when some1 writes that their demo may only spread as the full .rar package and may not be duplicated in any other way..

Or that Demoscene.tv doesnt have permission to put their demo on their website (thus it cant be streamed to iphone either)

Rtype : 1$ Per major party stream? How did you arrive at that figure? Let's say there are one thousand sceners watching the ASM stream - so 1000$, except these sceners are sat together in groups of 4 watching the stream. So now it's 250$. Or less - or more, depending on the spread, and on the total number of people wanting to access the stream, which may not even be as high as 1k.

Actually, I think scamp is right - charging for VOD effectively means you're paying to watch a demo, and demoscene tv is making money from the work we did for free. Which is likely technically illegal.

Well, I know too that they lost funding, and providing these things doesn't cost zero. I've no problem with a paid element to the app (the base stuff should definitely be free though, it's good outreach).

Maybe a better idea would be to allow a few free videos per month, then charge for unlimited access. Or provide low quality videos after the first few, then charge. It's no different really, but it'd at least feel like we're paying for bandwidth etc. instead of content :)

How about keeping the app free, and having a "donate" button somewhere in there? Micropayments in iphone apps make this insanely easy to everyone, and it would go a long way to act as a "fundraiser", if that's the idea... Basically you could do some extra stuff with the micropayments like neater menu interface (say 4 buttons.. bronze, silver, gold and platinum, priced at, say 1, 2, 5 and 10eur each?), once bought, change the UI to reflect that "level of commitment to keep DTV alive"...

Did you need that? So, you will paying 2 X for your own stuff:

1/ Your Iphone + the app
2/ Your telecom provider monthly charge

Not so fair at all, imho.

I suggest to the DTV's to share incoming revenue between demos producers and write contract - Eazy to code and allow to distribute revenue directly to sceners or team. Could be an elegant alternative system (as the french sacem).

In my case, i make clear distinction between my work (video games) and my hobby (coding demos on my hype-free 20yrs old Atari STE). Please understand that's it's really important for me that everybody can download my demos (or videos captures) for free.

What if they reverse their model - the app is free, with VOD, but there is a premium one that includes streaming of playlists and such? Does that even change anything?

IMHO, they need to keep the app fully free, forever. If they start charging, one or more of the rights-holders will send ONE email to Apple, and the app will be pulled. Yes, that is what is going to happen DTV, so think about your next move carefully.

I'm not so cynic that I think they created this app just to make money from it though. Also, Uncle-X has leading.

taking money for the app is no problem as that would "pay for development of the iphone app". but paying for VOD is directly paying for watching the demos others have made for free. a totally different scenario.

what tobé said: [ just replace "video games" with "web apps" and "Atari STe" with "Amiga 500" ] :D

And Uncle-X has leading with his point indeed.

I love the idea of the app, even though I don't have an iPhone myself. But the whole "pay for content", while the content isn't theirs to sell,is making this worth a massive thumb down.

Just fire the money sucking bastard of a paid DTV employee, and all financial problems are over.

nice app. how about not charging money for it before releasing on pouet.

Aren't you actually paying for functionality? You get access to the channels for free, but pay for Video on Demand and playlists.

Uncle-x's point = win!

iDemo... lol

iphone suxx

plaf: but why pay when you can just watch them for free on YT. plus, Apple/IPhone ideal is just totally at odds with scene and none commercialism. they and their iPhone platform stink of nothing but money and crappy pop-culture. the scene should degrade itself to such levels.

klipper, is any of the content on demoscene.tv made by you? what is your demoscene connection anyway?

havoc: yes, all of it. and i invented the and all other scenes, for that matter.. so if anyone has a right to an opinion, i think you'll agree, it's me.

ha ha ha.

why not give the software for free, especially when you want to promote own portal with others content?

rtype: why should you watch them on YouTube, when in reality the *only* way to watch a demo is realtime? ;o)

I wonder whether there'll ever be a day when everyone would realise that having lengthy conversations about this and that on these prod comment posts is fucking annoying. There is a thread for the discussion related to this app here. To actually comment this prod and NOT it's broader ramifications, how intellectual rights might be applied or whatever:

Demos-on-the-go, sweet. I'll save the rulez to when I've actually had the chance to test this app.

And like uncle-x said, how the fuck you guys afford to pay for your DSL (or the iphone to run this app) if 10€ / year is too much :)

A service i won`t use. Demos != video

This is absolutely awesome!

it rocks! but 3gs support would rather be fine!

What Maali and DJefke said.

The app is very nice.

Some of the comments on here are really stupid. You obviously pay them for providing the infrastructure and capability for streaming videos from the archive to the iphone. If you are able to do it for free, you simply don't buy their app.

Of course, it would be fair if they offered an opt-out option for people who feel their rights are being violated.

Could anyone please start to petition ISPs because they are making money by streaming our data? In fact, why do I have to pay for this post? Why do you agree to commercial sponsorship of demoparties? Because, in the end the company makes a profit from sponsoring, otherwise they would not do it.

Installed this one, very nice to have some demos on the go. :D

iphoneggg

nice installed this on the iPhone 4 i got from work :)

Nice :)

As far as I remember, it was a nice app :)