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well, we finally finished FBF02.... not sure where were going w/ fbf03, but i'm sure it'll be better than fbf01, we'll be releasing the src for this and fbf01 on the webpage soon, so if your interested then you can look forward to that

wait wait wait... you just released a musicdisk with a FUGLY gui and ... ripped tunes?

that's what i call style!

yep, thats right FUGLY, and the tunes are ripped... i admit it ;P

what's it with this ugly trend of releasing musicdisks with ripped tunes? as if there weren't hoards of musicians just waiting to get their tunes decently released. a lack of communication skills or just lazyness? anyway, this is simply not tolerable. someone with serious scene intentions should at least be able to contact some people for exclusive modules. musicians usually don't bite! even if the tunes would be horrible, it would still get more respect than just grabbing some stuff and by this building up a justification for a release which is simply not valid. PFUI TEUFEL!

instead of grabbing just some formal pseudo-attributes of the scene, like the farbrausch-esque number thing and an over-selfconfident attitude (btw, what the hell is it with the "real deutschmaschine"? scene and national chauvinism don't compute), you could get a clue about real scene ethics and customs.

.. you could have at least credited the original authors

well, about the ripped tunes... i agree, and we sortof shot ourselves in the foot when we set a release date so soon, we did contact a few artists, but it was just to late to get anything going.... so in interest of meeting our goal for releasing it by this monday, we just picked some of our fav tunes and slapped em in there... i dont feel bad about it, its music thats widely available, and music that i enjoy listning to, and i figured a musicdisk w/ some good music would be neat as opposed to a musicdisk that came with no music at all..... everybody kept telling us that the kolors didnt work together, but so what

also, we've set no release date for our next production (FBF03, we'll call it whatever we want) so maybe that'll give us enough time to do things in a less "rushed" mannor

ahem

not to ruine the overall feeling, you ( both graphicians and coders ) should have composed tunes yourself. that'd be ART
apart from jokes, pretty bad start, releasing ripped tunes is a sin hard to expiate

Mr coder.
Repeat : "a musicdisk is about the tunes, not the GUI."
If the tracks are not original, there's no interrest at all.
(and by releasing this crap here you're exposing your disrespect into lions' cage, ph34r!)


... Okay i basically do the same with demovibes (mixing scene tracks without always asking the authors), but i really don't feel it the same way :/

ok props for having the guts to even considdering to put this one up here, holy shit!

yeah, you really should have waited for some fresh modules, instead of releasing that in that current state. that's a pity, really, when you see how much unreleased song are staying outta here. sending a mail to some random great musicians aint _at all_ a pain in the ass if i might say, you could have at least made that effort, instead of releasing it in a hurry. well, everyone makes mistakes, just try not to make the same for your next disk ;)

what the heck is FB anyway?

I guess everything that can be said already has been.

Willbe, what you're doing with demovibes, is definitely not the same :)

Wow, even *I* can see that those colors shouldnt be anywhere close to each other. And also, ripping si teh sux. Thanks for allowing me to avarage out my avarage rating though. :p

nice fullscreen button :)

you know the reason

PLASMA!!!

oh no.

barrr, franziskarrrr... :|

I'll take "How to not make a scene production" for 1000, Alex!

- ugly
- worst gui since years
- slow
- info from the artist?
- tracklist?

I was makin an organic Ragu sandwich today and thinkin about what me and my teammate ratt were talking about, pushing the demo's to new levels, and trying to conform to what a demo should be...and i started to realize that i'm not having fun coding these anymore, it was fun untill i started to try to impress other people... it used to be, me and him would just set around and code stuff like single effects and chat about how they worked.... then i got thet idea to start making demo's for the scene, sinse i've been watching demo's and loosely following the scene for about 2 years... so we came with a name for the team, and sinse were coding these in freebasic, we decided on fbfusion... the real dutch thing is just a joke, cause i like And One alot.... anyhoo, it was all good, we submitted our first prod (fbf01) and the FB community loved it, pouet members hated it...wich for some reason bugged me a little....then we started working on the musicDisk, the original plan was that i write all the music for it, but i got so wrapped up in the code that i didnt have time for that... so about 2 days before release we realized we had no music set for it.... and we were passing around a pre-release for it at the time that had the songs you here now with it... we tried to contact about 4 artists to see if we could get somebody to knock together some tunes in such short notice, but we only got 2 answers back, and both indicated that they were quite buisy...so we just commited to the release date, polished up the pre-release and tossed it on here... then after seeing such a negative reaction, i started getting even more upset about it... but today i realize that i forgot why i'm putting these demo's up...I'm putting them up so that they wont set on my hdd, and eventually get deleted... weather you think there good or not, maybe somebody will think its neat or whatever... i shouldnt really care if its good or not, i should just go on and enjoy what i do best, coding.... and forget about wether or not people like what i'm doing.... as far as the ripped tunes goes, i knew in the back of my mind that it would be a no no, cause i've seen people get flamed for it before...so i cant say why i realeased a MD w/ ripped tunes, other than pure lazyness, and maybe a lack of foresight... if FB_Fusion comes out with another music disk...it will not have ripped tunes, so you dont have to worry about that... i definately learned a lesson about planning productions ;)

guy, you have false friends. seriously, this sucks.

wow, thank you for the constructive critisizm, i'll use the information you gave me to make a better production..... :P

Maybe you should push your deadlines a bit later if you don't have any real content. It's not like there are bosses breathing at your neck or anything.

I'd lose the deadline completely..
Don't be disheartened by all the critisizm - everyone has been through it.

xteraco: i've been wasting 5 years looking for graphicians and now i finally got to a point where i have candidates... until then, if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. you have to admit that most of the criticism on the thread is valid, not because we hate you per se, but because the prod is ugly and the originality value is zero. don't worry, skarab takes even more crap for his releases but surprisingly he learns from it - which is what you should do. if 20 people on pouet scream "DONT USE DUTCH COLORS" at you, then just, you know, dont. :) what i learned about designing and colors and all that is, its really just about saying no to yourself and actually spending 20-30 minutes about just a color choice or a position of an element. its a bitch, yes, but it pays off. as far as music, basically anyone can supply you with chiptunes so just go ask around.

I went thru 8 different revisions of my comment as I really did want to give some form of constructive criticism, but basically - no. What you did disrespects artists, goes aginst the unwritten, established scene 'rules' - the ones that you don't break without backlash. So if you wondered 'what will happen if I rip tunes and release them in an ugly gui - the answer is, the people involved with MAKING productions will give you shit. The people who aren't involved won't know better.

Sure, you CAN go on selling velvet paintings of the mona lisa your entire life, you can even possibly make enough money to make rent. But you won't be pushing any envelopes. And you won't get my respect as an artist.

There are worse things you can do, yes. Please don't.

When you release #3, and I hope you do, I hope it's improved, with tunes from musicians that haven't been released. Ripping == lame. Also, I might suggest actually... ya know, doing more than what I'd expect from Microsoft, if they released a media player. Oh wait, they have, and oh wait, it sucks too.

Actually, this is one of the few WRITTEN rules of the scene. Ripping == lame. Always has, always will.

Real sceners respect other's work, even if they don't care for it.

I fucking hate ripping.
Get your own musicians and stop "recht lullen wat krom is".

Fucking lame newbra's.

father, father..

THERZ NOTHING WRONG WITH TEH DUTCH COLORSCHEME!!!!!:)

blech, that gui is uggly

Not very good but I'll give a pig just for the effort. At least it wasn't made with lame demomaker tools. Colorz were too dark and fugly scroller was too slow and tunes were ripped. Better next time :) keep trying

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>we submitted our first prod (fbf01) and the FB community loved it, pouet members hated it...wich for some reason bugged me a little....

xteraco, that's really what I like about the qbasic/freebasic communities :)
Then why am I still here at Pouet? I guess I am just addicted to fuckings ;P
Lol,. ok I am really waiting for your 3rd freebasic release..

Wow. Just wow. Every time I visit pouët I find more and more arguments for aborting those with defective genes.

Crawl back into the mudpile you where born from and never visit pouët again.




Wow.

thank you :)

Ripping sucks. It sucks even more when you rip quality tunes and put them into such an offensively bad gui as this.

no

:(

another unstable/broken dl adress...

Glop.