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I don't know, maybe you have been over this a hundred times already...

I was just wondering what the definition of a cracktro is and what separates it from a regular intro? Now there's a cracktro for the Amstrad CPC in the recently released list but how can there be a cracktro for a platform where no commercial apps are released these days?

imo it's just that they added something to the app. no need for unlocking prevention or something, it's just that they wanted to add an intro.
but anyway, i don't know crap about the amstrad ppc, so... :)

and also, nowadays intros differ a _lot_ from the cracktros. on the PC, at least. I'm sure you know what I mean.

If it's made to be used or (preferrably) used in a crack, it's a crack intro. Not too complicated now is it?

"Intro" != 64k or 4k intro. Never forget that, kids. Non-compo intros should not be labeled as crack intros just because they don't adhere to some irrelevant size rules. Also, scrollers or retro colours also do not magically transform an intro into a "cracktro".

But hey, that's just my two cents. I'm sure this thread will be filled with opposite opinions before it gets overrun by stupid JPGs and jarig my bass beautifull..

Modern "cracktro" usually consists of text, logo, a lame effect, a chiptune and a jerky scroller, or any combination of those. Some people will thumb it up just because it has that magic grey C in the prod icon. Others will thumb it down because of the exact same reason.

(jarig my bass beautiful is the greatest sentence since someone said: "yes, let's have sex")

agree to Break:
just before the first nasty pic of mighty Hoff appears I want to state out that you're right (imho)

A cracktro is nothing more than a short term for
Crack(ed software) Intro(duction)
Nowadays it's not so sure anymore if this HAS to be some
sort of commercial software as even demo-productions
have been "cracked" (first time I saw this as a feature in
Dentisty by Nature :D )

Usually a cracktro was supposed to be a very tiny piece of code so that its startup could fit into the bootblock
of a floppy disk (at least on the Amiga it was like that...
dunno 'bout more ancient HW )
One can say that this challenging boundary lead somehow
to the compo intro categories of 64,40,32 and 4 kB size limit

The overall competition, I guess, was to get the most
stunnig stuff working in less bytes than "that other dude over there"

oh yeah...and of course to release this as a 0-day crack ;)

what makes the difference between leetnesses.

i always thought crackintro meant if you made intro while you are on crack <grin>

Cracktros != intros either, so that's okay. We're all right!

Ok, I understand it like this from what people write here that a cracktro used to be the simple flashy stuff that for instance was in the bootblock of a500-games, but now it's like a more or less obsolete form of production that is more retro than good. Is that it? :)

No, but if you managed to get that from what was said above, any form of explaining it further isn't going to get through your skull either.

starfield and copperbars!!! ohwait this isnt the oldkool thread.. mebad!

if we all consider a demo as a demonstration of the programmers skills, the musicans skills and the graphic artists skills, the conclusion thereby is this:

demo - a demo :)
intro - introduces the demogroup and it's members. filesize: not very important.
64k-intro - a demo with max filesize: 65536 bytes
4k-intro - a demo with max filesize: 4096 bytes
256byte-tro - a demo with max filesize: 256 bytes
128byte-tro - a demo with max filesize: 128 bytes
cracktro - released beside the game. showing who cracked the game and what game.
bbstro - introduces a bbs with info. filesize should be very low since bbs'es are slow.
xmastro - x-mas demo, filesize not important.
birthtro - the birth of a group. filesize not important.
wedtro - the wedding demo. filesize not important. telling that this demoscener is married.

all are different, but is released in different categories to tell the viewer what kind of demo it is.

also don't forget fucktro and unfortunately deathtro...

Hmm,. you might actually be wondering "And what to crack on the CPC then?". Actually, I wondered the same when I found out there is a quite much bigger cracking scene on the C64. They simply make better cracked versions of older games, with better trainers, etc.

The CPC cracktros from Fatality also contain the games cracked there, but I don't see any trainer. I don't know if there is a meaning in that, cause I already have these games cracked, but it's also because of tradition that crackers in the CPC or C64 continued doing what they do.

There are very few crackers on the CPC and usually I hear nothing from them (perhaps there are releases floating around through mailswapping that I never learn about). Some of them (like Chany of NPS) released smaller versions of demos/diskmags (They crunched parts of the original demos that were not crunched well, and made them fit from 2 to 1 disk for example).

Something more interesting and usefull would be cracking demos, yey. For example, I'd love to see demos like Shadow of the Beast preview, to be fixed so that they work in my CRTC1 CPC. That might be preety hard though, cause the code fits to the timing and any change would have bad results. A harder but more valuable work for the crackers. Or they could get those previews of Overflow and connect them together in a megademo :)

What about dentro?

OR a to-be scener :)

Dentros are simply somewhere betweens intros and demos :D sort it out for yourself :D

dentintros are 0.75 intros and 0.25 demos
crackdentros are demos that are not intros
albatros are flying dentros

Is'nt a cracktro an intro that someone cracked and called cracktro ?

@truck: You're no fun anymore! :/

Actually, Optimus has come up with the piece of information that says the most on this issue. Perhaps I should have mailed him in the first place since he was the one who submitted the cracktro that made me write this...

Anyway, what also comes to mind is all these "blank" cracktros on the PC that is not linked to any crack whatsoever. That is what made me write that stuff about "more retro than good" above that seem to have upset old truck.

possibly made for a group to use with various releases

MEGAtro. filesize must be over one million trillion terrabytes.

it's a cracktro if the author/glopper clicked the word "cracktro" on submitprod.php.

skrebbel: Yeah, I guess it's a cracktro if the authors called it a cracktro. A cracktro is a cracktro is a cracktro.

Back to the practical function of cracktros. Since I'm not downloading w4rezZz I'm wondering if cracktros still ship with cracked software or if it's just those .nfo-files that you see in ascii-packs sometimes?

YES THEY'RE STILL WITH RELEASES :)