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there is a reason why we hide in the woods and only show up here and there...maybe we dont want certain ppl to "know"

I'd be ready to release Hugi more often if more people contributed. Most of all it is me who has to do all the proofreading, editing and formatting, but my time is limited; with a couple of helping hands, we could perhaps achieve a more frequent release schedule. Also, we would need more people to actively write articles, interview sceners etc.

Anyone who is interested in such stuff should come across demos/intros/scene by him/herself. It only takes a bit of time and some clicks. I never got that "outreach" thing.

That "should come across" is not meant to be some sort of filter so don't get it wrong. If someone is interested in e.g. coding visuals there is no way to overlook demos/intros while searching the net.

When I was younger I was quite amazed that the demoscene did not appear in traditional media and in general did not seem to get much real recognition. For this reason I encouraged outreach activities.

But nowadays I think like sensenstahl. Those who are really interested in the stuff demosceners do, will find out about the demoscene. It is not like that the demoscene is something hidden which cannot be found by Google or other search engines.

The reason that the demoscene does not get much recognition by mass media is probably that typical readers of these media are not interested in that sort of stuff and therefore there is no demand for such reports, or that the editors of those media have no interest in reporting about the demoscene for other reasons.

Exactly what sensenstahl said.

It did. Computer magazines like 64er did party reports and held their own demo competitions. So at least on the Commodore side of things, the scene was "known" to everyone who was interested enough to read and buy such magazines or commercial diskmags.

Err, weren't you supposed to give up Hugi and quit the scene by the end of last year?

Well, I got acquainted with the demoscene in 1995. Perhaps that was too late - in those days, few media reported about it any more.

Perhaps the demoscene was more popular in the late 1980s.

Magazines like PC Format had demoscene stuff for a little while after 1995.

I remember when I first found about the demoscene and was like how can not many people know it or go crazy about it and went crazy with everyone I met describing them the demos and stuff and the miracles and community. Well yes, most people were like "ok it seems cool" but weren't really interested. And a friend told me that, if someone is really interested about these kind of stuff he is gonna eventually find it, no need for outreach.

Although, people who could be interested enough don't happen to bump into it rather than much much later. I would have wished to knew the demoscene from 1992 or something, but then I was very little to understand what it is and no connection to the outside world. I was searching for the videoclips Into The Mind's eye and found a blog where the writer said "Wow, I just discovered the demoscene and it's like those videos but realtime, I knew the videos since the 90s but never the demoscene till now".

So, outreach is not bad, maybe for some folks who would be go extatic if they found about our community and just happened to not bump into it because it's not as known as hackers or linux or whatever. But I wouldn't bother the same crazy way I did in the past. They will eventually find it.

"ST Computer" (german Atari magazine) also had some pages about the scene in their last years.
And yes, the reports from 64er about the scene were just great!! This magazine had the real spirit.

People shouldn't pay that much attention to "bitnaughty" - what did he contribute?? Not even 1 fucking single comment on any product at Pouet, only near to braindead bbs-posts.

German "Amiga Joker" also had reports about the cracking and demo scene back then (quite a few scene people worked for that magazine as well).

wow, adok said something i can fully agree with!

barti is somewhat annoying, but i miss him somewhat, and he did that fucking demo!

and i see that even stefan is active again :) which actually makes me really happy! so, i prefer the stefans and bartis, kthxby

^ word.

For the longest time I did not believe that the dead deer guy was the Nooon guy. What the hell happened. Was he always like that? :)

Schizophrenia can happen to the best of us. It's a shitty condition.

outreach is for attention whores

i never felt comfortable with that "outreach" concept, it's like "molding" the demoscene to make it interesting for "new people" by showing only a small (and very discutable) range of demos :|
i think making an ass-kicking prod and being featured on mainstream medias like Mercury did with their last intros is the best "outreach" method... after crack intro of course ;)

back then pretty much anything about the scene in mags was written by people from the scene (or atleast by people with close relation).

and yes, screw "outreach".

How are magazine articles not outreach?

Preacher: And obsessive-compulsive disorder as well.

if you limit your definition of "outreach" to the few cases where people thought they could achieve something by assembling a package of demos then the results do not give much hope or reason to continue indeed

but that's far from all that has been attempted, and in full denial of the results that have been achieved in getting new folks to join the scene or attend parties over the years. outline would be dead and buried without that...

so yes, screw "all cavemen who think outreach doesn't work".

wai o wai doesnt the "dude, your hobby sucks, do demos!"-outreach work?!?!?