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I swear just about anything you'd use is patented.

Just imagine if demosceners had patented all the amazing graphics tech we've invented over the years. We'd be, what's the word for it again?

Exactly the same? Though that's not a single word :(

like...

Like sine scrollers, copper bars, starfields... This list could go on for ever.

well you must know that we write code sometimes for the first engineer to learn about our technology. it's remote viewing and time travelling, everything that was not patented was a "stole" from my works...and I have intellectual properties of most of the 3D rendering, there are even some algorithms that are born from mystery. it's cognition, precognition and understanding of cognition. with the numerous thing we have now it's easy to compose but in early 1970 it was the future. Horus allows me to travel time by remembering me a past I've forgotten. to realise time travel it's memory principaly. roots are stole from time in 90% of case and the last 10% people have confounded to find another way...

damn, I totally saw this Bartoshe post coming...

I didn't. I got a comment from bartoshe on my thread \o/
Could someone call Solo2 ?

You have an obsession with Pharaoh and stuff. Just like Sotsoft.

I love it when people thinks the demoscene actually does innovation, how cute and naive :)

Kusma wins. Fatality.

but..but.. HYPNOGLOW!

What gloom said.

The word I was looking for was broke btw :D I'm sure the scene has invented some stuff (Thom's list is probably a good start). I'm pretty sure too that we'd never get the patent fees back on those ;)

Unless of course we start suing eachother for ripping demo effects? Could we have finally have found a way to make the scene profitable?

I'll now sit back and wait for a ranting vibrator :)

I was being sarcastic.

well, we have a little of materials to upgrade our stuffs, but remote viewing is the only way to create an art that has not be seen before. it's physical, generally there is crimes in the background or abuses but creating a new thing and publish it make it stop. it's principle of conservation of the energy that involves the whole, and animals are the medium to remote viewing. the effect in chevrolet of the skull is the artefact to make remote viewing here with me. animals look it weird and with the music they fight frightening.

for example, when you are pervets the first to be attempted are birds, because they are small, and then cats and dogs, and they humans if they care about animals, but it's shiting on face to be pervert, it's not respect.

Thom: i guessed, but it probably is representative of the kind of stuff the scene has genuinely invented - if only because there's no need for it outside of the scene.

I mean there's probably even stuff in my own modest attempts at demos that's unique and perhaps patentable, if I ever feel the need to blow a ton of money on patent fees in return for a certificate and zero income :D

yep, it's adorable.

psonice, we have probably invented as many stuff as any other random game programmer-wanna-be kid in gamedev.net. i cannot think of anything remarkable. although we are very good at being the first to popularize what researches invent (glow, hdr, ssao, raymarching, etc)

but just cause we haven't invented anything it doesn't mean we haven't doing big achievements. i can think of "size coding" and all it's great tech derivative work such as kkrunchy or crinkler, or tracking music tools like FT2, and the demos themselves are great things. i'd say that in general demosceners are more hackers and dedicated stuff-builders with high attention to detail, rather than genuine inventors.

that being said, it's also true that we could totally patent many of the little tricks, hacks and stuff we have developed over time - these days almost anything is patentable. really

Or we could _not_ patent it, and let it serve as prior art?
(...at least in one sense, then, demos will be art...)

yes please, i'm so against patents. by "could totally" i meant "it's surely possible for us to", not "i really wish we did" ^_^

iq: totally agree with all that - in fact that was the point i was really getting at, perhaps too subtly, perhaps just badly :)

And yeah, there's no place for patents in the scene.

Outside the scene, i think there is a place for them, but i wish there wasn't. If the courts worked on plain common sense, company A could sue company B and say "they copied this shit we spent years inventing", if it was true the court would agree and stop it. But instead of common sense, we have this crazy system of rules we call the law, and company A has to prove a whole bunch of very specific IP/patent is violated, and what specific harm is caused by that specific infringement.

This is where it gets so fucked up. If we applied that to demos, I could make a complete rip of Debris. FR would then sue me, not for ripping the demo, but for infringing their design patent on cities with square buildings, and a method of making an object by extruding a cube. And everyone would call them cunts for suing over such trivial stuff and trying to claim the rights to the cube :D

@psonice: funny as you seem to have an already definition of "common sense" as an absolute definition :)

The real problem is, that people believe there is a such thing as "common sense", but I hate to break it for you, but there is no such thing as common sense, really.

No that the rules makes it any better, they just try to navigate in all the human definitions of common sense/mess.

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Barti is Slavoj Žižek of the demoscene.