RIP Steve Jobs
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that formed my childhood, that formed my profession and personality and everything I am
Sorry but that , just. sounds. wrong.
But I do get the whole "when your heroes die" type of thing.
@svo: you mean your life and all that you are has become less relevant now that steve is dead?
I'm amazed and deeply disturbed by people feeling this shaken over a tech CEO passing
I'm amazed and deeply disturbed by people feeling this shaken over a tech CEO passing
well, don't you think it is odd that such a technologigal visioneer, such a "man of the future" like jobs would rely on alternative mumbo-jumbo for his treatment?
let me quote some stuff here:
nine month? nine fucking month he went to eat all organic food? whilst a TUMOR grew inside of him. A TUMOR.
sorry guys, but that's what i would expect of a self-absorbed hipster kid that blogs with its mac from the organic food store. maybe he was staring to succumb to his own marketing, becoming one of his creations.
Don't get me wrong, for his friends and family it is hell to lose someone to cancer, belive me i know what i'm talking about. but he did not only give us shine iphones/pads (wich _are_ the devices i wan't since i first saw them in startrek :) but he also closed the door on flash, disempowerd the useres(by all this DRMish crap) and producted all these shiny toys by slave labor in china. let us not forget that. so if you want to honor steve jobs as you idol - fine. but please if you get cancer someday, don't follow in his footsteps and get the proper medical treatment. remember the good and the bad.
kind of my two cents ...
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http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-succumbs-to-alternative-medicine/
http://www.cultofmac.com/2709/steve-jobs-treated-his-cancer-at-veggie-restaurant/
let me quote some stuff here:
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The only delay that really mattered was that Steve, it turned out, had been treating his pancreatic cancer with a special diet prescribed by the alternative medicine promoter Dr. Dean Ornish.
Most pancreatic cancers are aggressive and always terminal, but Steve was lucky (if you can call it that) and had a rare form called an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is actually quite treatable with excellent survival rates — if caught soon enough. The median survival is about a decade, but it depends on how soon it’s removed surgically. Steve caught his very early, and should have expected to survive much longer than a decade. Unfortunately Steve relied on a diet instead of early surgery. There is no evidence that diet has any effect on islet cell carcinoma. As he dieted for nine months, the tumor progressed, and took him from the high end to the low end of the survival rate.
nine month? nine fucking month he went to eat all organic food? whilst a TUMOR grew inside of him. A TUMOR.
sorry guys, but that's what i would expect of a self-absorbed hipster kid that blogs with its mac from the organic food store. maybe he was staring to succumb to his own marketing, becoming one of his creations.
Don't get me wrong, for his friends and family it is hell to lose someone to cancer, belive me i know what i'm talking about. but he did not only give us shine iphones/pads (wich _are_ the devices i wan't since i first saw them in startrek :) but he also closed the door on flash, disempowerd the useres(by all this DRMish crap) and producted all these shiny toys by slave labor in china. let us not forget that. so if you want to honor steve jobs as you idol - fine. but please if you get cancer someday, don't follow in his footsteps and get the proper medical treatment. remember the good and the bad.
kind of my two cents ...
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http://www.skepticblog.org/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-succumbs-to-alternative-medicine/
http://www.cultofmac.com/2709/steve-jobs-treated-his-cancer-at-veggie-restaurant/
Yeah, conspiracy! \o/
In other news, back in 2005 in his famous speech at Standford, he explained he had a surgery.
You know what, it seems with the current economic mayhem two cents aren't worth much anymore.
In other news, back in 2005 in his famous speech at Standford, he explained he had a surgery.
You know what, it seems with the current economic mayhem two cents aren't worth much anymore.
@ringo:
Why does it sound wrong? Your personality has formed in vacuum, never affected by the current things and events? You never were inspired by anyone or anything? Or you have the ultimate right to decide which inspirations are right and which are wrong? Explain, please.
@Weyland Yutani: I never cared about SJ's role over the recent years, I'm not of the iPod generation although I really like macbooks. Of relevance to me is the part of early computer history in which he played a visible role, like it or not. And yes, I tend to associate things and events with people and, when people related to things that were/are important to me die, I feel sad. It's just not every one of these persons has enough public visibility to start a pouet.net thread full of lameness and flames.
But what makes you think you know how I feel and how deeply I am disturbed, Weyland? You seem to be offended by your own imagination.
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Sorry but that , just. sounds. wrong.
Why does it sound wrong? Your personality has formed in vacuum, never affected by the current things and events? You never were inspired by anyone or anything? Or you have the ultimate right to decide which inspirations are right and which are wrong? Explain, please.
@Weyland Yutani: I never cared about SJ's role over the recent years, I'm not of the iPod generation although I really like macbooks. Of relevance to me is the part of early computer history in which he played a visible role, like it or not. And yes, I tend to associate things and events with people and, when people related to things that were/are important to me die, I feel sad. It's just not every one of these persons has enough public visibility to start a pouet.net thread full of lameness and flames.
But what makes you think you know how I feel and how deeply I am disturbed, Weyland? You seem to be offended by your own imagination.
Nah, you read wrong :) I'm deeply disturbed is what I typed, no judgement or hard feelings towards you, I was talking about the general response to his death, I never realised how important this guy was to a lot of people I guess.
@Weyland: I see, I'm sorry for misunderstanding. I don't really feel that the general response is that much over the top, although I admit that I don't read a lot of newspapers and I don't watch TV and only read a few sites, all of which seemed to be pretty reserved and reasonable in their eulogies.
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Quote:stepped down pretty much at the last minute so the share price wouldn't take too much of a hit in case he died
Oh come on, at this point you could say he died right after the keynote on purpose.
oh, one could, but i wouldnt dare to.
at least he appears a bit more human, now. fuck cancer, but fuck drm and position tracking iphones, too.
@Zavie:
with no word i have said that jobs did not get surgery. if you had followed the first link i provided, you could have read that _after_ he waited 9 month and ate organic food he got the surgery. The article even says that it was a whipple surgery ... so no conspiracy theory here- and i stand to my point that it is stupid to wait nine month when you have cancer, before you let someone cut it out.
with no word i have said that jobs did not get surgery. if you had followed the first link i provided, you could have read that _after_ he waited 9 month and ate organic food he got the surgery. The article even says that it was a whipple surgery ... so no conspiracy theory here- and i stand to my point that it is stupid to wait nine month when you have cancer, before you let someone cut it out.
he was a bit of an alternative nutter yes. also did drugs in india in his 20s and stuff.. that's where he got the whole feng shui design crap from :P
What everyone is too polite to say about Steve Jobs: http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs
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Explain, please.
Ok, here goes - computers have played a big part in my life (I think that could be true for most here?), they are my work and often some part of my recreation. But... to say that they are something that makes me, me. I dunno really - on reflection the statement is probably true but to say that they are my all would be untrue. Also (& this is where I felt what you said was not so good) having built hundreds of pc's /lappys and os installs I would never limit myself to just 1 architecture or method of hardware construction eg. - I hate having to work on dell machines in general 'cause they often design them in a way that is physically difficult to work on and just doesn't make any sense to me. No small delicate fingers here ;)
I don't know if that makes sense to you svo but like Weyland said -
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no judgement or hard feelings towards you
so you build loads of machines and spend all your time posting on pouet on one - in what way does the pc NOT define your life? It has a massive impact.
For people that use macs, the same thing is true, except that with macs you basically have 1 single public figure running the company, who apparently has a large say over what the machines are like and how they work. If bill gates did the same, he'd have a huge influence on your life.
For people that use macs, the same thing is true, except that with macs you basically have 1 single public figure running the company, who apparently has a large say over what the machines are like and how they work. If bill gates did the same, he'd have a huge influence on your life.
no offence, but all this raving fanatics talk here says more about you guys, than steve jobs ;)
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What everyone is too polite to say about Steve Jobs: http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs
Sorry, but nobody becomes wealthy by being nice. There is nothing surprising in that article. In fact, it's just what one would expect of someone in Steve Jobs' position.
Actually, you can't get shit done if you're not a bit of an asshole. So, indeed, nothing surprising in the article.
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Sorry, but nobody becomes wealthy by being nice.
I disagree. Not that I know any wealthy guy.
I know some quite wealthy people. They're pretty normal to be honest.
@ringo: I wrote that this was one of the things that made me, I didn't say that it was the only thing that made me. I have no idea how many other things there were making me, and hopefully still are, but Apple — in the form of stories and pictures — was among those things. It's worth noting that back in the day my family couldn't afford any computer at all. I was going to places like computer clubs and reading tons of literature and magazines. I think at the time I rather viewed them as some weirdos with weird computers different from those that were within my reach, but the pictures in the magazines were colourful and pretty. There were lots of weird and cool computers back in the day, but eventually they all disappeared, while Apple stayed.
Steve Wozniak reacts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK_XEGrzHUo
Steve is dead and i am glad
@svo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr2oYSpWl2A was what I talking about. As I have repeatedly stated Ralph Steinman & SJ died within days of each other from a similar affliction. IMO - One of them deserves worldwide acclaim for having tried to (fairly selflessly) avail the world of a scourge that has plagued humanity for a long time & was then prepared to be a guinea-pig for his peers so that they may be able to cure him & others (hopefully).
The other 1 had worldwide acclaim for being the head of a company that sells an expensive product (built cheaply by people in countries that have little or no labour laws) and capitalised on that to make a huge profit for themselves and their shareholders.
Again - which 1 of these men really deserve all the adulation?
Honestly kinda makes me sad that the arguments have got this far (& not just here). Sure as fuck hope there are the same die-hard Apple fans doing shrines when Nelson Mandela or the Tenzin Gyatso kick the bucket.
Just sayin' is all.
The other 1 had worldwide acclaim for being the head of a company that sells an expensive product (built cheaply by people in countries that have little or no labour laws) and capitalised on that to make a huge profit for themselves and their shareholders.
Again - which 1 of these men really deserve all the adulation?
Honestly kinda makes me sad that the arguments have got this far (& not just here). Sure as fuck hope there are the same die-hard Apple fans doing shrines when Nelson Mandela or the Tenzin Gyatso kick the bucket.
Just sayin' is all.