French presidency competition 2007
category: residue [glöplog]
So, that's what we got here: some racists middle class young people that wants to "whash out" the suburbs... they want to start a civil war like in the balkans in the early 90's, and it all started with TV programs, like in the balkans in the early 90's...
Nah.
Basically those want a strong police state for the suburbs only, and a socialist state for the rich and higher middle class, combined with a jolly non-interventionist state for the industry.
They want to be able to cover their ears, and pretend the poor don't live in the same country.
They want to keep on profiting from the plentiful aids of a socialist state while blaming their excesses on the poor. And reducing their benefits in proportion, of course.
Basically those want a strong police state for the suburbs only, and a socialist state for the rich and higher middle class, combined with a jolly non-interventionist state for the industry.
They want to be able to cover their ears, and pretend the poor don't live in the same country.
They want to keep on profiting from the plentiful aids of a socialist state while blaming their excesses on the poor. And reducing their benefits in proportion, of course.
heh krabob hyperbole, dishonesty and intention trial don't seem to bother you much...
seriously, voting against sego doesn't mean you are racist 0_o - it's similar to bush stating that if you don't support the war you are unpatriot...
anyway on a strictly political analysis (but aren't politics all about fundamental society choices ?), i hope sego will loose so that the archaic socialist party - already broken apart during the european referendum - will finally split into a conservative leftist party around 'nonists' like fabius, emmanuelli and maybe besancenot (but doubtfully), and the new progressive social-democrat party that bayrou is about to found in the picture of all other european social-democrat parties who actually lead most european countries nowadays.
imho we need realistic reforms to be able to keep a strong social aid and welfare state, and a strong centrist political movement to oppose worrying sarko's bonapartism. Current sego's socalism is totally out-of-date and out-of-phase like the quite officially dead communist party.
And about suburbs, as far as i'm concerned, i take sarkozy responsible of the starting of the riots, besides i'm a pro cannabis legalization in so far as that's the best way to 'wash out' traffic problems in suburbs.
seriously, voting against sego doesn't mean you are racist 0_o - it's similar to bush stating that if you don't support the war you are unpatriot...
anyway on a strictly political analysis (but aren't politics all about fundamental society choices ?), i hope sego will loose so that the archaic socialist party - already broken apart during the european referendum - will finally split into a conservative leftist party around 'nonists' like fabius, emmanuelli and maybe besancenot (but doubtfully), and the new progressive social-democrat party that bayrou is about to found in the picture of all other european social-democrat parties who actually lead most european countries nowadays.
imho we need realistic reforms to be able to keep a strong social aid and welfare state, and a strong centrist political movement to oppose worrying sarko's bonapartism. Current sego's socalism is totally out-of-date and out-of-phase like the quite officially dead communist party.
And about suburbs, as far as i'm concerned, i take sarkozy responsible of the starting of the riots, besides i'm a pro cannabis legalization in so far as that's the best way to 'wash out' traffic problems in suburbs.
And you're fine with a guy who is responsible of starting riots in the country being in power? If we give him the benefit of the doubt he's not competent, if he can't control his own words, and if we imagine it's not a competence issue, then he's a manipulative prince willing to provoke violent events to advance his agenda.
to be honest sego has already begun to renovate her party but she still keeps in her party uncompatible trends : her companion - the official chief of the party - is always compelled to 'do the splits' to avoid internal splits...
time for some change.
time for some change.
knos: not really but i'm willing to take the risk to vote against sego so that france finally moves! sarko won't be able to make all the nauseating promises he has sent to lepen voters.
we'll see.
we'll see.
eh? So you're voting for that guy to force a change on the losing political party? Isn't that wishful thinking? It certainly does not sound logical to me.
Especially since voting the bayrou-vote in the first run already sent that sort of message. The legislative elections will have a greater effect on the relative forces inside parties than the presidential election will ever have.
Furthermore, with the UMP candidates in power, the yet to be born center will be bullied up into submission. (Join us or get squashed in between us and the left)
Especially since voting the bayrou-vote in the first run already sent that sort of message. The legislative elections will have a greater effect on the relative forces inside parties than the presidential election will ever have.
Furthermore, with the UMP candidates in power, the yet to be born center will be bullied up into submission. (Join us or get squashed in between us and the left)
it's not all about that, take for example the nuclear question. Sego's program wants to stop the ambitious and promising EPR project, the nextgen most efficient nuclear reactors for the next decades before fusion energy gets real. That ban in the socialist 'pact' was decided to appeal to far-left voters and was insinuated by ex-greenpeace bruno rebelle. Most socialist deputies in power facing reality are pro-nuclear but they keep quiet in front of what la Madonna has said and chosen (eric besson is eloquent in his lampoon about that point).
the 'funny' thing is that sego usually takes example of scandinavian countries for their social realism or realistic socialism, but who are building the first EPR powe station ? Finland.
the 'funny' thing is that sego usually takes example of scandinavian countries for their social realism or realistic socialism, but who are building the first EPR powe station ? Finland.
and by efficiency i mean producing lots of electricity with far few security hazards.
*fewer.
damnit :D
damnit :D
finland is not scandinavian ;)
culturally yes :p
I'm generally in favor of nuclear power, however this wouldn't really be a huge setback if we ever delayed the start of a new nuclear reactor by a couple of years.
Especially if the EPR reactor installed by areva in finland will actually bring some interesting data. This will be the responsability of a prime minister at that point to judge whether or not to stop the project.
That point, in particular anyway you have another control on, as it's likely if ever the left had executive power, they would anyway have a much more balanced assembly.
In any case delaying in a given technology deploiement is something that can be later fixed, (also together with european countries) far more easily than the results coming from the defects of character of a given leader. Which can be very lasting. (Watch far west of France)
Especially if the EPR reactor installed by areva in finland will actually bring some interesting data. This will be the responsability of a prime minister at that point to judge whether or not to stop the project.
That point, in particular anyway you have another control on, as it's likely if ever the left had executive power, they would anyway have a much more balanced assembly.
In any case delaying in a given technology deploiement is something that can be later fixed, (also together with european countries) far more easily than the results coming from the defects of character of a given leader. Which can be very lasting. (Watch far west of France)
What do you mean culturally? Is england scandinavian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
by scandinavia i mean nordic countries, that's the commonly used meaning.
Finns will prolly revendicate many cultural (linguistic first) differences from other scandinavian countries but from a south point of view they are pretty close :p
by scandinavia i mean nordic countries, that's the commonly used meaning.
Finns will prolly revendicate many cultural (linguistic first) differences from other scandinavian countries but from a south point of view they are pretty close :p
Sarkozy is half jew, so I guess he only plans to impliment half of the Zionist agenda in France.
what about his hungarian conspiracy ? :D
Sarkozy is a danger for democracy, and human rights, as the
Human right league demonstrated it. ( But maybe you consider a democracy shouldn't have a free press.) (<- for keops: yes, this is a real news, * I mean this is true, this is real. *, and there are lots like this but maybe you can only believe TF1. )
Are you blind ? He applied lepen's programme for the last 5 years !
("Do you want me to take you to a power plant ?" said the policemen.)
Sarkozy willfully told on TV that "the whole suburbs people were all scum (racaille) to be cleaned" after these 2 youngs were killed. In a position were any other political man would have given excuse, he just said that, and there started the riots of 2003.
People around europe must understand that the french people supporting sarkozy support that.
Human right league demonstrated it. ( But maybe you consider a democracy shouldn't have a free press.) (<- for keops: yes, this is a real news, * I mean this is true, this is real. *, and there are lots like this but maybe you can only believe TF1. )
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sarko won't be able to make all the nauseating promises he has sent to lepen voters.
Are you blind ? He applied lepen's programme for the last 5 years !
("Do you want me to take you to a power plant ?" said the policemen.)
Sarkozy willfully told on TV that "the whole suburbs people were all scum (racaille) to be cleaned" after these 2 youngs were killed. In a position were any other political man would have given excuse, he just said that, and there started the riots of 2003.
People around europe must understand that the french people supporting sarkozy support that.
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seriously, voting against sego doesn't mean you are racist 0_o - it's similar to bush stating that if you don't support the war you are unpatriot...
Zest: for short-sighted people, it does ;)
See Doc Gyneco, he fully supports Sarkozy, yet he's black and comes from the suburbs. He is probably racist or something ;)
I won't vote for Sarkozy but this kind of ubersimplistic and narrowminded way of thinking is quite funny and politicians know how to play with it. Krabob is the best example of that.
Kkrabob: I wonder who is the brainwashed and dumb one here. It's not like the police waited for Sarkozy to commit violence and sick things. It has happened hundreds of times, whatever the political leader, left or right.
In any case the way you are agitating your arms widely, krabob, diminishes whatever it is you want to say.
Knos: so true :)
\o/ JUST CLAIM ANARCHY AND ALL WILL BE SAFE AGAIN \o/
C'qui est bien depuis mon époque ado boutonneux rebelle fan de rap, c'est que rien n'a vraiment changé, et ça va même être pire. Ouf.
pas faux, c'est quand même incroyable
heh c'est le Jean-François Richet qui a ensuite migré aux USA pour oser faire un remake miteux du légendaire Assault on Precinct 13 de John Carpenter ;)
ok aucun rapport mais franchement il craint :D
ok aucun rapport mais franchement il craint :D