kinda demographic research :)
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But, I'll play.
I've been doing demoscene stuff for around 20 years now, visited something like 50 parties and I've only heard of one case of a person thrown out. Ever. And that was because of too much alcohol and apparently violence (I wasn't there to witness it so I don't know). Just what did you do to deserve this?
Also, "circle of adoration". Puh-leeze. Yeah, people who've known each other for years are friends. So?
I've never heard anyone complain about someone making a release. Sure, the release can be crap, but still. Also, what does "behaving like a youngster" mean? What does that have to do with releases?
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the same circle of adoration will consider this wrong and make lynch, considering to stop that newcomer from attending every future possible party. This attitude is noticeable among few organisers and has been criticised already.
I've been doing demoscene stuff for around 20 years now, visited something like 50 parties and I've only heard of one case of a person thrown out. Ever. And that was because of too much alcohol and apparently violence (I wasn't there to witness it so I don't know). Just what did you do to deserve this?
Also, "circle of adoration". Puh-leeze. Yeah, people who've known each other for years are friends. So?
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When a newscener makes a release, actively participates in compos since his day one, then few oldsceners who since years released nothing apparently become grumpy about the newcomer, like someone forbid them to make their release and behave like youngsters and not like old whining farts. Instead of being happy that some new blood is representing (while he doesnt really do) their country.
I've never heard anyone complain about someone making a release. Sure, the release can be crap, but still. Also, what does "behaving like a youngster" mean? What does that have to do with releases?
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I've been doing demoscene stuff for around 20 years now, visited something like 50 parties and I've only heard of one case of a person thrown out. Ever.
I know some of the parties you went to and I can tell you it happened more often tbh.
Not that it matters that much, but there is a lot of shit happening behind the scenes of parties regular visitors are not aware of :)
creonix: are you talking about newcomers in general or yourself? smells like the latter to me!
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Quote:I've been doing demoscene stuff for around 20 years now, visited something like 50 parties and I've only heard of one case of a person thrown out. Ever.
I know some of the parties you went to and I can tell you it happened more often tbh.
Not that it matters that much, but there is a lot of shit happening behind the scenes of parties regular visitors are not aware of :)
tbh I've heard it more than once too, but afaik a lot of the time it was a temporary measure until people calm the fuck down from boozy enragement or w/e.
but for all I know there's worse incidents. I'm not surprised that kinda stuff happens when you stuff 500 nerds in a hall and feed them booze and junkfood for 3 days.
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creonix: are you talking about newcomers in general or yourself? smells like the latter to me!
The reply for this question you would find above. But let me extend my answer. This is my experience and with Polish parties. But I am aware that the same kind of lifetime exclusions were applied to few others Polish guys on same Polish parties, in most cases for not serious violations and mostly preventive(just to keep a peace of few orgas who want to have the time to drink their vodka and then sleep on the chairs). This does not apply for international parties outside Poland, somehow.
i would be interested to hear more about these drunken nerd fights and such.
please tell epic stories.
please tell epic stories.
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I've never heard anyone complain about someone making a release. Sure, the release can be crap, but still. Also, what does "behaving like a youngster" mean? What does that have to do with releases?
The point is easy - Youngsters dont give a shit of others, they don't care to moralize and edify and be a judge to other fellows, they enjoy the party. Old frustrated man sitting backwards to the bigscreen will care more of pointing others mistakes than thinking how he can entertain himself on the party other way than edifying others. And it may have or doesnt need to have anything to do with making releases.
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I've been doing demoscene stuff for around 20 years now, visited something like 50 parties and I've only heard of one case of a person thrown out. Ever. And that was because of too much alcohol and apparently violence (I wasn't there to witness it so I don't know). Just what did you do to deserve this?
Means you don't know all of cases.
While I might be not surprised to have organiser removeing attendees from the party for a specific and SERIOUS reason that occured on that party and just from that party it is absolutely not accountable to see overreacting and instructing orgas of other parties to intentionally apply bans for year / life on future parties just for nothing. This probably only in Poland?
The best advice to those preventive and stiff few guys is following - if you are afraid of drunk people and fact that people will come to your party, drink, make fun and unexpected situations will occur, then probably organising parties is not for you. Forbidding a scener for life from a party which he never attended is unreasonable or it's a distinguished way of asking for a war.
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if you got banned from a party without a valid reason then why would you want to attend it in the future?
Well, the reasons which I could mention is plenty but the best answer will be: because you never attended this party? :P
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if you are afraid of drunk people and fact that people will come to your party, drink, make fun and unexpected situations will occur, then probably organising parties is not for you
There's a difference between being "afraid of drunk people", and pre-emptively minimizing the possibility for damages.
Having organized one party and helped around with others, I can only agree with gargaj. People who 1) cannot handle their liquor and 2) cause undue disturbance and/or damages to property or people should stay home or learn to fucking behave. Respect goes both ways and dealing with shit people cause is not fun.
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War? Seriously? What does that mean?it's a distinguished way of asking for a war.
DIE BY SWORD
The best way of minimizing possibility is stop organizing them and finding another hobby.
Preacher yeah best will be if all stay home, this is probably the safest solution! Even if you never drunk you may accidentally get injiured what then? Yeah, stay at home. Life outside is so merciless.
And NO, I don't and I never supported vandalism. I never destroyed any property on the demoparty because I don't find destroying property funny. So?
Preacher yeah best will be if all stay home, this is probably the safest solution! Even if you never drunk you may accidentally get injiured what then? Yeah, stay at home. Life outside is so merciless.
And NO, I don't and I never supported vandalism. I never destroyed any property on the demoparty because I don't find destroying property funny. So?
what the hell
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War? Seriously? What does that mean?
You don't expect that giving someone unwarranted ban from the party which he never attended will make that guy thanking you, do you?
You are welcome to read the story of Exotic Men. It's interesting story.
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Preacher yeah best will be if all stay home, this is probably the safest solution! Even if you never drunk you may accidentally get injiured what then? Yeah, stay at home. Life outside is so merciless.
Umm?
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Nope. However, going to "war", whatever that is, is not something anyone sensible over 15 would do. Someone doesn't want you in their event because of some reasons, deal with it. Be an adult.You don't expect that giving someone unwarranted ban from the party which he never attended will make that guy thanking you, do you?
And I'm familiar with Exotic Men, of course. What a bunch of absolute twats, even if they're part of the Finnish scene history. If you're looking for inspiration in the old Finnish scene, I'd recommend something like Future Crew or Orange or Complex.
Okay so following your logic:
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When a newscener makes a release, actively participates in compos since his day one, then few oldsceners who since years released nothing apparently become grumpy about the newcomer, like someone forbid them to make their release and behave like youngsters and not like old whining farts.
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The best way of minimizing possibility is stop <insert activity here> and finding another hobby.
if you organise a party, you want people to have fun. so, having utterly drunk idiots ruin property or the experience of others is enough reason to a) tell them to stop, b) tell them to fuck off and go home, c) tell them to never come back, d) tell them to never go to parties again, depending on the gravity of their sins and whether they understood once they're sober again what a massive cunt they were. can't please people all the time, but it's all about keeping stuff enjoyable and civilized (also from an organizational stance).
Can anyone explain to me why even Maali is taking this guy seriously?
Dude, 33 years is not "young".
What is the story of the Exotic Men?
last time i checked there are also demoparties outside poland.
also, i seriously doubt polish demoparty organizers are all in cohoots to gang up on poor little you who did nothing but put out a new release.
this is clearly a personal disagreement and you're playing the victim on pouet hoping to throw some mud of the polish orgas. that's really gonna do wonders in convincing them to accept you and lift the ban.
have you tried apologizing for whatever it was that you did to piss them off to the point of perma ban? or have a rational conversation? i know polish party orgas like drinking but they can't all be drunk all the time. i'm sure someone would be willing to hear you out if you do have a point in not deserving the ban.
also, i seriously doubt polish demoparty organizers are all in cohoots to gang up on poor little you who did nothing but put out a new release.
this is clearly a personal disagreement and you're playing the victim on pouet hoping to throw some mud of the polish orgas. that's really gonna do wonders in convincing them to accept you and lift the ban.
have you tried apologizing for whatever it was that you did to piss them off to the point of perma ban? or have a rational conversation? i know polish party orgas like drinking but they can't all be drunk all the time. i'm sure someone would be willing to hear you out if you do have a point in not deserving the ban.
okkie: I guess they mean this?
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last time i checked there are also demoparties outside poland.
also, i seriously doubt polish demoparty organizers are all in cohoots
not all are cohoots, but those who are not probably seem not having much to say on applying / lifting bans lool
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this is clearly a personal disagreement and you're playing the victim on pouet hoping to throw some mud of the polish orgas. that's really gonna do wonders in convincing them to accept you and lift the ban.
I am not even gonna play a victim, thats your word. I am not even feel like a victim. At all. (Should I? Not really) But I asked myself few times why the fucking hell few of people got lifetime bans from few big parties while even they did not show their full potential of being disasters.
The point if zero-tolerance and undefined-time-ban or whatever you call it like policy Especially that bans were applied after months and for nothing related to these parties is a horrible idea.
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have you tried apologizing for whatever it was that you did to piss them off to the point of perma ban? or have a rational conversation?
No, and even if I chose to apology anyone there is nothing what any of these complainers deserve apologies for.
The case which you called "whatever" was a small struggle with orgas on Revision, is not related to any Polish party, was not apparently a big issue and plenty of people including drunk Poles made way more shit in the past which they got never bans for (either they got it after receiving lots of chances - again for those interested ref. to the thread http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=564.
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i know polish party orgas like drinking but they can't all be drunk all the time. i'm sure someone would be willing to hear you out if you do have a point in not deserving the ban.
Yeah dont we all like drinking on demoparties?? Show me the ones who don't. Who doesnt, raise your hand. Anyone? Oh i see nobody. :(
Except those who chose not to. Lets leave them. Its not the point. People who few months after a party gave bans on some Polish parties just because and which continued contacting orgas of other parties, "warning them" and convincing on bans can not be considered serious or rational. It is bullshit. In the opposite to German orgas with whom I could make rational and fair conclusions.
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why the fucking hell few of people got lifetime bans from few big parties while even they did not show their full potential of being disasters
That's why. The "full potential".
Creonix : you really read threads from 2003 ?
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Creonix : you really read threads from 2003 ?
It was probably my first or second such old thread which I chose to read.
But yeah, this one was really interesting. Not finished yet, 3 pages left.