Your unpopular opinions about the scene
category: residue [glöplog]
Complaining about OS/driver dependencies of 4k intros shows a severe lack of understanding of what the code in such intros looks like. From the perspective of an intro, the OS is a burden, not an asset. If one were to make the same content in a "bare-bones" setting, it would likely be smaller.
Moreover, the dividing line between hardware and software in a platform is arbitrary and inconsequential. You could just as well complain about the billions of transistors in the hardware needed to run the intro.
Moreover, the dividing line between hardware and software in a platform is arbitrary and inconsequential. You could just as well complain about the billions of transistors in the hardware needed to run the intro.
Owning a computer which can run newschool demos is lame
Atari ST coders are generally more adept and clever than Amiga coders
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i really cant stand currywurst.
Seconded!
I also see where you're coming from in regards to the size limited categories being more about grind, and we made an interesting observation about that: groups that tended to approach the size limit from above seem to have stopped to do size limited content (especially 64k), and those whose workflow is to approach the limit from below didn't. I think we still enjoy doing it exactly because it's rare that we need to cut content. But yeah, technical innovations are more on the tooling side lately.
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Seconded!
Thirded, haha, I wanted to post it, but it felt TOO mean :D
As always, there are exceptions. But...
Being involved in the scene was so uninspiring I basically left.
The general artistic level in a demo is roughly the same as a 5 year old playing with cars in a sandbox.
Demos could be a truly interesting artform at the forefront, but instead is relegated to irrelevance by a draconian squad of old men who just want to relive the past.
The demo party itself is one of the main reasons most demos are so god damned boring.
The length of demos makes them boring. 3 minutes is not enough to do anything artistically worthwhile.
Drum and bass has been boring for 15 years. Please stop.
Most everything in the demoscenen is derivative at heart. And therefore often second rate too.
Being involved in the scene was so uninspiring I basically left.
The general artistic level in a demo is roughly the same as a 5 year old playing with cars in a sandbox.
Demos could be a truly interesting artform at the forefront, but instead is relegated to irrelevance by a draconian squad of old men who just want to relive the past.
The demo party itself is one of the main reasons most demos are so god damned boring.
The length of demos makes them boring. 3 minutes is not enough to do anything artistically worthwhile.
Drum and bass has been boring for 15 years. Please stop.
Most everything in the demoscenen is derivative at heart. And therefore often second rate too.
"Happy Birthday Keops!" is a super lame meme, every demoscener by now knows it can be Keops' birthday every goddamn single day of the year
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"bare-bones"
I meant "bare-metal" of course.
BTW before I forget: Happy Birthday Keops! :)
xeche: why are you bothering to post these slurs, if you depict the scene so much?
you know, there are other communities, maybe you'll be having more fun there ;)
you know, there are other communities, maybe you'll be having more fun there ;)
*despise
From both an artistic and technical point of view, the vast majority of demos and intros, even prize winning ones, are just crude.
way too crude
Since apparently—ironically enough—it's popular in this thread to flog demos for not being up to certain technical or artistic standards, I conversely and unpopularly suggest that the Demoscene could rather be likened to something like the arts & crafts movement, and that the purpose of demos is not to compete with or be compared to works produced in the commercial, professional sphere, but instead have intrinsic value in consciously operating outside of that context. Or, in other words: the medium is the message.
There are too many high-ranking prods that abuse marching leak bugs caused by sloppy distance function math as 'effect'. I think those artifacts are ugly.
Noby, you are on to something.
Demoscene has developed some delusion of grandeur, I don't know why and how.
It brings together people at parties. The message is: Gute Laune, the message is: Feierei. We have a common hobby, that's it. Even across platforms we can sense the same spirit. It just doesn't work without parties. The current situation is killing it.
Demoscene has developed some delusion of grandeur, I don't know why and how.
It brings together people at parties. The message is: Gute Laune, the message is: Feierei. We have a common hobby, that's it. Even across platforms we can sense the same spirit. It just doesn't work without parties. The current situation is killing it.
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the medium is the message
Somehow noby reading Marshall McLuhan does not surprise me at all. But what kind of a message are demos... if this pouet thread is any evidence what demos do to us, it ain't pretty
Pouet is not the scene.
theres too much group-hugging, back-petting and circle jerking in the scene.
elitism isnt gone it just changed from "my group is better than your group" to "my subculture is better than... well basically everything out there."
elitism isnt gone it just changed from "my group is better than your group" to "my subculture is better than... well basically everything out there."
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xeche: why are you bothering to post these slurs, if you depict the scene so much?
Congratulations, you are now a 14-year old Reddit user. "YEAH? WELL.. IF YOU.. If you.. wipes tears from eyes.. like Superman so much.. why .. why don't you just MARRY HIM HUH?!"
Aka. "Quality response there, chap."
I take this as an endorsement.
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elitism isnt gone it just changed from "my group is better than your group" to "my subculture is better than... well basically everything out there."
Except elitism used to come from the elites; now it comes from the ones that don’t really do anything. Not many of the “top demo makers” go around making majestic claims about their own superiority outside of the scene, it’s everyone else who’s responsible for that. Some sort of irony there I suppose.
The scene would be better off if fewer people handed in their prods at Revision: The Revision compos are too long, and most other parties' compos struggle to get entries.
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Except elitism used to come from the elites; now it comes from the ones that don’t really do anything. Not many of the “top demo makers” go around making majestic claims about their own superiority outside of the scene, it’s everyone else who’s responsible for that. Some sort of irony there I suppose.
I don't think there is much elitism at all tbh. There was a time when the demoscene thought they invented everything, but I have the feeling that died out in the mid 00s.
Maybe i'm wrong tho, so another unpopular opinion, demos are good and cool and i love them and want to kiss them on the mouth.
Variform 2 was the best Variform
