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@Humanoid: Don't care about what they told you.
Go ahead, go! With faith of the heart!

But, remember, make a demo about it too.

so do i have to email you to get a HelloWorld in Naprola? >:(

<?naprola
write: hello world!
?>

that thread reminds me of the crackpot index..

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

Gargaj: Sounds like you have to email him to explain what you mean by hello world. ;) Anyway, reading on that website it looks like you can use any syntax you want with Naprola. So here you go, hello world in Naprola:

10?"HELLO WORLD":GOTO10

Except this is an infinite loop, which is technically a bug, so it wouldn't compile in Naprola. I guess?

Ok, I'll try too...

Possible sample of "Hello World" in Naprola:

10 NEGATE(SOLIPSISM);
20 SPEAK("Hello!");
30 END(WORLD);

In two years, we will see who is most close to the chosen syntax. Make another examples, please. :)

Though it seems quite pointless to argue with you, as you reply to anything by "Don't put words into to my mouth", let me explain. I didn't simply assumed that you didn't do enough background research, but I concluded it. The reasons for that are:

0) you dismissed haskell by a one-liner saying it is not capable of imperative programming, which means you didn't even read the wikipedia entry about it

1) you want a better language, but you want it imperative. Many other people want better languages, and the common agreement of these very clever people is that side effects are baaaaaaad

2) you make comparisions with C, C++ and Java, which are not exactly the pinnacle of programming language research

3) you don't write a single word about the language itself on your homepage, but instead things like how many platforms the hypothetical implementation will work

4) instead of explaining things here, you get hostile

The Baez crackpot index, as already linked by somebody, works pretty well in practice. And though it was designed to filter the extreme cases, you would score pretty high.

So my advice again: If you want to save the world, that's ok for me. But do you homework and do some serious background research beforehand.

I don't want to design anything that's not _at least_ as appealing as C, C++, and Java, where I measure the appeal by looking at lists like these:

http://freshmeat.net/browse/160/

1st place: C with 9334 projects
2nd place Java with 6383 projects
3rd place: C++ with 5228 projects
...
Far down: Haskell with 76 projects.

Haskell isn't very appealing for regular use. If you don't believe me, ask most of your friends. I'm designing something that's appealing enough for regular use, but also has those extra advantages I mention in the faq. You don't need to make your language completely unappealing to most people by telling them that



and then designing something around that.



I was not trying to be hostile. If I sounded hostile, I apologize.

Hmm. Today after coding a kick ass effect in 386 quickbasic and found out how much I prefer c to basic syntax today, I had this thought: I will start creating the best language ever which will be a mix of the best things between basic and C. It will be called CASIC.

Helloworld in CASIC:

Helloworld();

It never crashes.

Humanoid:

I think you're missing blala's (and others) point here. Comparing with C/C++/Java because those are the most used languages is really useless. It takes a long time for a new language to make it into the "mainstream" for one thing, and you shouldn't really compare to those anyway, you should compare to the various experimental research languages out there (you know; actual researching other languages which has the same aims/goals as yours).

Though, I can see you're dead set on your opinions, and that nothing anyone here says matters anyway (and no, I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm merely making an observation).

I'm the Humanoid's cousin. I just want to comment on the uselessness of debating with the guy. No matter how right you are, you are wrong. That's all there is to say. There is no changing his opinion because it is anything but that, everything he believes is fact because he believes it.

Hey, still one year to go though... I'm waiting for feb 20100 anxiously :D

... and for Duke Nukem Forever too :-)

2011, I meant... before someone interrupted me :D

Quick, quick! Before 2012 comes!!!

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that my cousin will:

- never complete Naprola
- never achieve his dream of pure anarchy (read his ethics of life)
- never succeed at cold fusion or disease-fighting robots
- never find an unlimited source of nourishment
- never get a life

Well a horde of very well-established scientists failed to prove a positive evidence for Cold Fusion (however the negative ones are a plethora). So good luck to your cousin…

I do believe that one day the nanotechnology will pave the way to disease fighting robots but I am not sure if it'll be your cousin who'll get the Nobel for that :).

I am already pretty much convinced that he'll never achieve any of those, though.

Ah. This thread always makes me sigh. That was really something back then...

And there goes my dream of being the first Nadreamia certified Naprola programmer to program nano-robots to convert all politicians into cheeseburgers for the poor. :(

I'm sorry to ruin your dream doom.