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sdw: the audience was fairly quiet during the demos. partly because they were stunned, partly because they were a lot more sober.

sdw: it is obvious that the recording has been edited, meaning that the sound from the hall has been overwritten with the music from the demos, when the demos are running. It's very noticeable during Stargazer and Into the pink, where they shortly switch to the live audio and then back to the clean music.
I think they did this, because the music (especially my BASS) just fucked the live microphone up :D

There was a lot of applause during the demo compo (and not just during those two demos, but all through the compo), it was just edited for sound I guess (I haven't seen the demoscene.tv video).

They're aliiiiive! ;)

Too bad they were edited, that kind of defeats the purpose of those live videos...

Any chance we get the genuine version without the reactions of the crowd removed someday ?

CUNT UNLOLL!

ps is still ps1.0 :(

just think of it like that :

everyone (except me) tried to do his/her best to get a stunning 4k/demo done...!
i said i needed sth that arsened me....!
it arsed me,maybe not enough,but still theres the thing you´ve got to think about: ppl got nice hardware which "recently" brought off nice releases into the NVision/NVScene....but don´t you think ppl will use it for normal-scene-live aswell from now on ? there are also some groups which received boxes and didnt release,which doesn´t scratch on theirs prods at all,you´ll just only be able to see them later ( not @NVision ) ....so the Hardware will last and it helped the whole Demoscene a lot....you´ll figure lateron yourselves ;)

what xeron said

ps, aeko: that was so obvious that demokits and nvcene were to inforce a new de facto standard around dualcore/8800 (which is a great vidcard, and not really recent now, even i still don't own one yet), the previous standard (6600/6800) was getting old.

the demoscene is about pushing the limits, right ? so this new standard bump is good for the demoscene and its liveliness.

do i feel happy by needing to upgrade vidcards every 2/3 years ? no, but that has been the natural process in computer market for years, no need to curse at it at each standard jump.

and there are still the ASD demos which are always running smoothly on old hardware :D

btw i'm curious, does any nvscene demo bother using several cores, or is the GPU always the bottleneck as keops said ?

Where is the list? :D

all those hardware upgrades always were a bit irritating. gus demos, which i still never saw properly in realtime are coming to mind, when i think about that. or almost complete absence of amiga in my hometown, to watch demos on. so, i got used to that a long time ago. more dissapointment cause the same old effects, wrapped in a new shiny renderers, without creative touch and concept.

I don't feel happy upgrading hardware at all... the thing is hardware should be a lot more standard. Besides having to ugrade your hardware you have to use NVIDIA because almost no demos work properly on ATI. Standards are too be followed. I hope that happens when some releases a propper GPU general computing protocol. Even if stuff doesn't run at an acceptable speed, you're still able to kkapture it or something.

Zest wrote:


I'm also courios, how many of you feel that really have arrive to these limits ..

Do you feel that Amiga demosceners retired because they have arrive to the top level and then have the need of dying ?

Anyway, no company have to tell you were are your limits. I think that little programs, tools, specialy crunchers, have done more on limits than the movement from DX9 to DX10.

ryg: some quick remarks: considering 1/3 of every vista sold machine still gets downgraded to xp, that os being in the market for 2 years now is not really that mainstream yet imho. also, you're talking from a graphics programmers prespective i.e. a person who upgrades toa top notch card every chance they get, whilst the rest of us common mortals typically do not, they go for the middle range priced cards when its time to upgrade.
but yes i agree cpu aint much of a bottleneck these days. when i mentioned missed the point i was refering that i was trying to launch a discussion on why we do not aim for rendering as much. even if the premises are subjectivly untrue, the remaining arguments for also trying our skills "offline" should still be valid. and again, im not saying we all should jump ship to tech videos and cinematic renderings, im just asking, why are we demo coders so focused on realtime _only_. i understand why we love the realtime aspect, but why do we _only_ mostly do that?

also, it was never my intent to tell anyone to stop making demos for high end cards. quite the contrary. i just find it odd that that's where most of all ass-kicking prods whind up considering y'all supposedly praise the "this way everyone will be able to run it realtime on their machine" ideals which in practical terms atleast to me it feels like its not reaching across. normal users dont have the card and they certainly dont have a clue on what dx redist to install in order to make that .dll error box begone, so their solution is video more and more often. and thats what i find somewhat creepy.

ps: Despite my labelling it wrong in the compo, our demo only requires ps 2.0 . So, you can watch ours, and enjoy it : D

yeah,ps is right !

we all praise to bring the old spirit back,but doesn´t that include the small specs anyway ?
at lkeast we´ll be at the point where we want to be in 3-4 years anyway,when GPU == Larrabie !!!

ps: this upgrading sucks a lot,but what about a new thread about: SET Specifications for Releases ! f.e : lets say 3 GHz CPU,7-Generation of NVIDIA and 1 gig of RAM ?
this would be a different competition on every party this is SET anyway...no more releases you´ll have to expand your system in ANY way then ;)

Demos is my primary hobby. Dropping 1000euro/year for upgrade really isn't that expensive compared to other hobbies.

cocoon: well, there is room for everybodys kinky fetishism, no need to restrict all compos to this or that. variation is healthy. im just wondering why we dont generally exploit rendering more often.

sdw: screw you, im not buying a new dc to watch your latest demo, mine is b0rked, live with it. ;) :p

ps: because everything would look the same like that ? ;)

its going where you want it anyways just right this time....give it another half year and you´ll see !

trixter: I already wrote somewhere what I thought of the party, but I think it could be summed up with one word: Awesome (I used this word a lot during the event..). I will do my very best to attend it next year if it will be held again, and I recommend everyone else do the same. Greetings to all the cool people I met during the party, and all the cool people I didn't manage to talk to personally but will when I come around the next time!