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have to second okkie on this. every village fair in my hometown is "rougher" than revision - in all respects.

in addition to what other people said: i remember the animal-porn-ppl with their 40"+ tv-set from mekka/symposium 97 (used to travel a lot, these guys, eh?). if you compare THAT party to the most recent revision, there is nothing left to complain about.

revision is cozy, friendly and highly civilized, even with drunk people that have bellies and i'm very thankful for it being so.

I think you all need to be taught some proper manors:

D.Fox: Next year party location, confirmed!

great location. i'll bring the chicken!

At Mekka Symposium 2002, some people just couldn't pace themselves..

"Our first encounter with the new generation of young sceners finds one
slumped out cold in the car park, this was at 15.15 hours, and we wonder
how he is going to last the other three days?! His friends have been
"helpful" in artfully arranging various bits of computer debris, discarded
magazines, and beer bottles around and on him. Felice edges the car
nervously around him, and the last we heard, was that this individual had
been sold to the Tate Gallery as a stunningly challenging contemporary work
of art, for seven million UKP!"

The only photo we'll ever need of MS2002:

Thats my point: drunk and with belly BUT cozy, friendly and civilized. and regarding the debris: you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, can you?

@D.Fox: Wo ne Villa ist ist auch ein Weg!

could be the starting shot of hangover 4 :)

Phew!

Best yet for me, don't think I've had so much fun in a weekend for years :)
A shitload of thanks and shoutouts are in order:

To everyone who made anything for a compo: big up, you provide the most important part of the party!
I second Ronny, I'm not gonna bear the shame of coming empty handed to Revision again.

To dfox, madame and styx for making it happen, and finding time to be great hosts and wonderful people while doing it (I have no idea of how you do it). Bonus shoutout to dfox's mother!

kb and the rest of the beamteam for bringing the boom and blink, especially Ben for being an all around great guy and steltek for magically popping up whenever I suddenly needed assistance with something on stage.

The rest of the crew for all the work you put down to make this party happen. Thanks, each and every one of you <3


Ronny & Ian for the hilarious chaos that was Sunday night, never had so much fun behind a pair of decks in my life :D
Thanks to all who came to party, especially the Poo-Brainers up front and center with their wonderful attitude and the guy who sang the Feeling So Real lyrics back to me from the floor.

The coders, organizers, alkama and Ronny for the wonderful live coding sessions, and the talks about music in between the rounds too :)

The Danes for the banter, the card game and the brilliant games in the tent (#DrNielsen). You all need to get your children into foster care so that you can come to every party again, it's not the same when you are not there.
Thanks to Subi and Dipswitch for the excellent music while playing cards as well :)

LNX <3

Deathboy and Bleepstreeters for the dancing sessions, and the Evoke crew for filling the second stage floor with positive vibes and crazy dance moves during the Bleepstreet session. See you in August :)

Hi Trixter, was so cool to get the chance to meet you and exchange a few words.

Everyone else I talked to and/or had a beer with, thank you for being there and making the weekend what it was for me :)


PS: have started to mix down the dj sets I recorded with my portable recorder, will distribute when done.

PPS: photowall needs an alcolock (I regret nothing!)


I didn't think it would be so tender (TM)

YES! This was the guy standing on the left bleacher facing the stage right? I wasn't really in a good head space during that time and I channelled that guys positive energy SUPERHARD, thank you unknown guy! <3

Oh great.

Look, noone is arguing that Revision is a cesspool of drunken vandalism. We have (at least) one person who mentioned that they were unable to have a sober conversation with people. The complaint is not about alcohol being sold on the premises of Revision - that's fine. The complaint is about some people either not being able to hold their fucking liquor or not even attempting to. Let's face it, that's just sad even outside the demoparty context, and the fact that people are up in arms defending it to the level of actually suggesting people who are made uncomfortable about this should stay away is just outright tragic. For fucks sake, what happened to inclusive community?

Most of us like a drink. Not all of us - I could probably list a few teetotaller sceners off the top of my head - but even those who don't like it understand that a beer or two is just part of the relaxation and it allows for a more relaxed atmosphere, and noone is making a big moral problem about the whole thing. The issue starts when the binge drinking slowly starts to replace the whole point and you start fucking up the atmosphere for others because you're too drunk to give a shit about how uncomfortable you became to others. And I don't just mean someone sinewaving through the toilet tunnel, I mean the fact that there was a massive pukestain right in the middle of the audience after the 64k compo, and that I got vomited on by someone WHILE I WAS SLEEPING a few years back. This ain't right.

Again, I'm not suggesting there's a gigantic alcoholism problem in the scene more than in other scenes, but if we tolerate that some people have low PHYSICAL tolerance for alcohol, could we equally valiantly tolerate that some people have a low(er) MORAL tolerance for it?

Pro, I as a Dane love you man, we should be together and maybe make a demo.

I can confirm these theories of vegans , I dont eat meat and I have no sense of humour and takes everything very personally.

I've never been to any of the german easter demo parties (sorry, former TG organizer, then family man), but I have been to a shitload of parties over the last 24-or-so years, and to anyone saying "Demoparties be demoparties, deal with it or GTFO" as if this was some sort of blanket defense of anything: stop being idiots. :)

Every party is different (hell: every edition of every party differs), and while most of them are variations on a theme, I can say with a high degree of certainty that not only have I enjoyed the ones which didn't feature absurd amount of drunkenness and people acting like morons more than the ones that didn't, but so does people in general.

..and again: I have never been to Revision or Mekka or Breakpoint etc, so it might not even apply to this particular discussion, but it sure applies to demoparties in general, so there. :)

I operate on the principle that Gargaj and Gloom are always correct, and yeah there are a few people who could stand to do three vodkashots less because they cant handle it - and I would hate for alcohol to overshadow the main reason we got here - to share in our common hobby, the demoscene. I dont think its a demoscene if its just a bunch of drunk old fools watching cat videos while wasted off their faces.

I do think those who cant hold their liquor are a minority and I hope nobody has ever been annoyed by me (apart from the other danes but they deserved it) when I had a few too much - contrary to popular belief, I am a quite approachable guy even if I do get overly excited.

I personally have only been in bad shape at parties because of wrong choice of (dutch choice) ciggies on top of alcohol!

I don't know why you're quoting me. I didn't have any problems. I was just behind Panda Cube up in front. :)

Hmm, am I wrong? I thought it was inside the buildings anyway, since it was on the MIT campus. This doesn't mean people don't go to a bar afterwards / outside of the event, drink outside or, I suppose, sneak in alcohol but nominally it is listed as alcohol free.

To add something positive (I guess).

At least demoscene is relatively drug-free community (am I wrong about it?), unlike those legends about art-scene in the 60s-70s.
I guess there are no gruppies, no orgies, no powder-sniffing, no prostitution, even no striptease or pipe dancing, just "at best" couple of geeks naked.

So really, demoscene parties are far from hard-core... couple of guys that lost it with a _beer_ (or radler/alster whatever), you kidding me?

At the same time, I'm still laughing that some of them make a big fuzz about "vegan = soft" - geez, the world is a bit... ahead... like long time ago, you know?

I guess those people totally mistunderstand what's soft/hard-core/cool/uncool and listen to right-wing/convervative BS that the only way to go is belly+no homo (I guess Maali was sarcastic, but still).

And the only problem I have with this puking stories - it's pure lame, pathethic and even retarded. Grown-up man, alone at the party, no chicks, nothing, and he ends up puking on his buddies - seriously? That's your hardcore "eat rave throw-up repeat" kind of stories?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B4WwQHoDTYk

That's it. We drink but we also homo, with big bellies or smaller. At least we finnish ones.

To avoid misconception - the only reason I would hesitate going to a "bad demoscene party", it's _not_ because a party with 99% male group where some of them are watching prn or get drunk and puke on each is scary or hardcore, it's just well... uhm... boring? pathethic? I would have better things to do?

But luckily, it's not so common, and some people are there for demos.

Yes puking is bad, especially puking on people should be ass-whippin' case. But there has been some banning, i remember one notorious finn being banned from Breakpoint before it even started. Messing the decorations or so.

Obviously, but it's not even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is as far as I can tell there is not much else that is considered as a "great party" - especially among those drunk people near the stage. I'm pretty sure that for them screaming out some bullshit loud, getting wasted, and having black-out/puking memories later is the essence of partying and being cool.

I don't really think there are some many who puke and are totally wasted. Shouting and getting somewhat wasted is not being cool, it's having a good time. It's a party :)

Maybe Assembly tomkh? I am still bitter of the security confescating all alcohol from my car because it was in parking hall under the Arena, they are that strict.

To clarify: My subjective impression is "beeing unable to have a sober conversation" is quite an exaggeration. I was sober as almost all the ppl i was talking to were. One could argue the impression depends on the people you decide to talk to, right?

Moreover my impression was the number of ethanol-corpses stayed within the usual boundaries you are going to see on every event of that size with a clearly decreasing trend over the years. The point i made is very different from - oh great - appealing to bigger problems.



Sure, that ain't right.



Hm. I think i get your point, but i doubt this is even a meaningful question. You've constructed two minorities as the PHYSICALS and the MORALS. Because both groups oppose each other its like trying to square the circle if you want to make both sides happy. The compromise i believe most people agree to is: Keep the alcohol and cope with/handle collateral damage.

So its less a question of tolerating minorities equally but a question of what the majority thinks is still acceptable.