Open sourcing pouet.net ?
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ringofyre: you do realise dfox actually answered that exact question in the post *right above* yours? :D
I cannot for the life of me figure out what part of my "data" on pouet is personal, but you can have it. All of it. If you saved my password in cleartext throw me a mail, and i'll stop using it for my hotmail as well :p
The rest of the data, I would prefer to be opensourced, but have I missed something? you are welcome to have my email addresses, website urls, and for the love of god, all my comments.
The rest of the data, I would prefer to be opensourced, but have I missed something? you are welcome to have my email addresses, website urls, and for the love of god, all my comments.
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AFAIK DFox - many users have icq, websites and email addys tied into their account info. Again all in plain text. Any guarantee that this type of info will be kept out of the public eye?
Deleting user.php could solve that ;) With the exception of emails, all of that is public, as you can see.
So yeah what dfox said is plausible; TRUNCATE instead of DROP, I'd also blank the username field (not needed, now that I think of it), keep the "ud" table (the project closed ages ago so it doesn't really matter, though I guess usernames might so "i dunno lol") and maybe clean the "logos_votes" table.
Everything else is wired out to the site in public, you can feel free to validate it yourself.
Furry muff.
That's me told - off to the nether regions I return. :-)
That's me told - off to the nether regions I return. :-)
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I just love how all non-coders thinks that pouet 2 is a big issue here. The real issue is obviously that people think it's scene.org staffs right to take away the ownership from analogue to themselves. Which is absurd, really.
Esp given analogue wants the development to be open source, the data itself he seems to want to claim closed for anything but the stuff that has historical value (ie the production database - which people essentially are worried about).
Whats funny is that all coders who has opened their mouths in this thread pretty much agrees on how to take a project like this forward. This does not include pouet 2 but a new open project with a road map around a new data model/api.
And there's really a lot of reasons why this is awesome:
A) Pouet would be pouet
B) Gloom and his christian out reach group could have a super moderated site, with all the same stuff as pouet has without NSFW threads
C) There would be a clear distinction of what is pouet-only and what is an historically archiveable scene production database.
D) Anyone who doesnt like the new pouet staffs decision would have to move on to Glooms heavily censored version of pouet or if analogue has a seizure and starts moderating stuff - move over to a more liberal (oldskool) pouet.
The only "negative" part about this is that buhu gargajs five year old undeployed renderstuff() php code is not in use. But really. I think we all have written code during the last five years that we have decided to throw away so I dont (as a programmer) see how anyone would be sad about not deploying five year old code today to a community. Just think about all the crap-work having to be done by one person to get it 100% stable in production. A proper open source team would have the same issues but a bit more balanced work load.
ps: actually, asm is not on the agenda this year by the looks of it. wanna opensource my face elsewhere? :P
but yeah sorry. i got a bit carried away in how i worded my feelings towards this imho doomed to fail OS initiative. and you know how much i like pouet, so i wouldnt want that to happen.
I'm opposed to the notion of a "super-moderated site". Freedom of speech!
I think the only one who has claimed that anything will be supermoderated are people trying to troll Gloom, by saying Demozoo will be for christians, so rest assured that your nazi propaganda and stupidity will still be welcomed at pouet :)
Dubmood is the Bill O'Reilly of the demoscene!
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Given the tone of this thread (yours included),
By "the tone of this thread" you actually mean "by the reactions to my actions", right? Or at least, that's what you should have said.
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and the fact that the creds have been shared with some of them, yes, I've been scared for pouet. And not by Gargaj like I said 3 times already. He has the accesses.
No, he doesn't.
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Gargaj is a scene.org staff member, if he wants to wipe the database, he can do it now.
Actually, he can't, but then again, you're not exactly known for stating things that are factual. You see: being in the Scene.org staff does not automatically grant you access to all the servers - and even if it did - we actually have an organization in place that discuss things. You should look into that, might work for you.
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He even has a dedicated account on the server hosting this. If I was scared of Garg, I would have switched hosts no ?
Why you locked him out is up to you to explain. Trying to push the burden of argumentation over to someone else is both cowardly and immature.
Oh, and regarding the hosting: if you're considering moving Pouet off of Scene.org, please send the staff a mail first. You might be surprised with the response. And yeah, how nice of you to thank Scene.org for the yearly terrabytes of free bandwidth, backups and maintenance - it's always the sign of a gentleman to acknowledge the aid from others.
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The old creds have been shared to a list of people that no one can list.
Do you think it's hard to figure out who logs in to the SSH and potentially block someone who shouldn't have access? Nah, don't answer that. Answer this instead: if you actually was afraid of the credentials being "in the open", why didn't you just change them and then immediately share the new credentials with the people who have been taking care of the site for the last decade and surely are to be trusted? Instead, you just locked it down, and shared it with noone.
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Regarding contributing, I've certainly not been dormant, silent yes.
So you've been active on Pouet have you? Is that why the other "Open source Pouet" apparently came as a complete surprise to you? You're hardly the most observant watcher then.
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Again, what Gargaj can't do now that he was able to do before ?
Everything?
See, here's an analogy for you: two people have a car together. They both have the keys and use the car as they see fit. It works out well for the both of them, until one day, when one of the guys takes the other guy's keys.
"Hey, what gives? Now I can't use the car!"
"Sure you can, I see you have a crowbar there - I can't stop you from using the car"
Do you understand the difference between "here, let's share the access and work together" and "you can break in at any time if you really want to"?
Oh, and I posted in the evening here in Europe so you have a chance to answer them on US East Coast time - you know - for convenience.
If you make this whole story public anyway.. Could, possibly someone who knows what happened, describe the actual status of pouet? I feel lost (and try to follow it since the beginning).
gloom: As I'm writing this, he can modify any file and any data on pouet without my consent, like he always had the ability to.
Like if you cared about the real issue anyway...
Like if you cared about the real issue anyway...
But can you tell us the exact reason why you've changed the password and then didn't mail it to Gargaj?
Like I said, I freaked out of seeing someone do something as dumb as UPDATE users SET nickname="dickhead"; or anything like this.
You mean, you saw Gargaj do something like this?
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gloom: As I'm writing this, he can modify any file and any data on pouet without my consent, like he always had the ability to.
No, he can't. Stop lying.
[/quote]Like if you cared about the real issue anyway...[/quote]
Oh please, spare me the fake tween outrage.
I would also please request that you answer my questions above, instead of just dodging them.
Oh and I did not send an email, I figured he'd ask if he needed too as I checked his account before on the server.
Again not gargaj, he said somewhere that he shared the creds.
gloom: He can...
gloom: He can...
gloom: I already answered your other questions 10 times in this thread, I'm bored of repeating the same stuff on each page.
Analogue: okay, since you're insisting on being an absolute retard about this - HOW can he modify any file or any data on Pouet without your consent?
So if it's not Gargaj you're afraid of, why didn't you mail him the new creds? Sure, he could ask himself later, but don't you think your actions are a bit disrespectful?