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eeblis: The unstable guy should be in a secure hospital and it is the fault of the employer for hiring such a high risk character. They cannot prove in court you were giving him evils and that is why it is such a good strategy. If you end up in hospital then of course your payoff will be much greater esp if you suffer head injuries.

As far as losing your job because of an 'economic crisis' goes. If a company want to remove personel then they need to go through the appropriate channels. i.e if they ask you to sign away your statututory rights then this needs to be verified and witnessed by an independent solicitor. If you weren't asked to sign anything then you best see them in court.

Usually what employers do in your situation is pick up on something menial (say for instance timekeeping etc) and go through the disciplinary procedure until you use all your lifelines and then you get shown the door when it suits their business strategy and of course they owe you nothing.

Though bear in mind the disciplinary procedure has strict guidelines which if not followed correctly (i.e an independent witness who takes notes to which you sign to say that all parties agree upon). If not then you make a claim and will usually get something out of it. Bottom line is the government want people to be employed taxpayers and not an unemployment statistic and therefore such guidelines exist to make it harder for employers to get rid of people.

Which is a good statement but tends to be completely exceeded as the economy of a country goes higher. That's probably why you can be fired in the US in a flash procedure since it's quite easy to find a job no matter what, same in UK.
So employment is being protected because you are more considered as a taxpayer than an employee in a declining country. And most of the time, declining countries make really restrictive laws for unemployed workers to have them back on track at all costs (with costs especially applied to the unemployed worker who's sinking a little bit more in precariousness then).

Oh, and I'm french being completely pissed off by the decay of our inherited social rights in our country. France is still a great country to live in but it smells really like shit when government tends to badly oppress poor peoples and favour the richest with the slight decline of our highly-coveted health cares system (what we call social security).

oxb: what do you expect, Sarkozy was raised in an upperclass multimillion-dollar family mansion. he does not see any need for social health care and the like.

work for your Lords & Masters or die, that's his moto.

I don’t think there's actually any way out of the current economic crisis and I believe the reason we ended up here is purely down to a capitalist model that has severely drained the world’s finite resources which at a fundamental level is all that wealth represents. Money is fictitious and just a way of enslaving people to the central banks.

Economic growth relies on a growing population and the greedy assumption that the supply of natural resources is infinite and production can be expanded year upon year. If you divide a declining non-renewable resource by an exponentially growing population you will see that over time that per individual there are fewer resources to go around which means the divide between the ruling classes and the ordinary will continue to grow at a faster rate than ever seen before.

This all means that future job losses in greater numbers are an absolute certainty so my strategy has been to file as many unfair dismissal lawsuits before the bastards go broke!

mg. I disagree that it is the employers problem that it hired someone unstable for you to abuse for your own ends. Thinking like that, what makes you different from "them" except for a couple of billions in the bank? I agree with the rest you wrote.

Making money out of lawsuits is not about what is moral and everyone will have their own limits to what they think is right.

If someone is making violent threats in the workplace and they’re heard by several other colleagues then anyone wearing their legal spectacles will seize the opportunity prosecute both they and the employer for creating such conflict.

A friend of mine (Mr Loophole) makes a tidy living out of lawsuits and I worked under his advice. Last time we spoke he said currently fighting a supermarket for defamation of character because the security guards touched someone without permission and asked to search them.

It's perhaps also the environment I've worked in. I live in London and most programming jobs here are in investment banking. I despise banks and therefore I didn't feel so bad about doing it.

Find a job.

and what if he enjoys learning and can live fine as a student? not everyone defines themselves by working and earning "lots" of money.

optimus: i recommend you study if there's a course on offer that you think you'll enjoy. the employment market can wait for your labour until you're good and ready.

mg, i wasnt talking about morals or even the laughable concept known as law and jura. No, I was questioning that you so willingly used someone else who had nothing to do with you, who properbly did not even know you. You are saying that you would willingly get other people into trouble, if it could get you a benefit out of it. Don't turn you'r back on me, ever.

I knew him enough to know he was an idiot. He had some sort of superiority complex and was known to be aggressive. I was at some office party and had to sit next to him and during that time I got sick of him running off to snort coke and then coming back giving me a flea in the ear about how rich his family were. His pinstriped Armani suits, pink shirts, cufflinks, mullet and overpowering aftershave pissed me off too. I'll see if I can find a photo. Anyway, I think people like that ought to be brought down.

Ok, maybe I will find a job at the moment but quite possibly I am doing something else some monts later. Maybe in September some master but maybe not. Time will tell..

@el topo : nope, that image-thing was a joke

This is the fabric, from which legends are made.

"i am rob and i hate my job !"
"hello rob, I am herman the spanish pool boy"
"PANTS OFF!"
*rob and herman lol

Who the hell revived that thread?

Ah,. it's rob the bob. Ok,. now I get it :)

Optimus Knight: i guess that would'nt be an interesting job if you spent your time on pouet image thread(s).

rydi: you've got that back to front I think. if these threads were not of interest, then why all the sexy party picture action. Hmmmm? I wonder.

making BITS prods, not THAT sounds like a BORING tedious SOUL CRUSHING job.

so what Optimus really need is to get laid by a pornstar

AGREED! As do wel all! I know I shall! (= in my daydreams =). heh

*pouet.net awards - Nominee for: Most unnecessary thread revival 2009*