I wonder how long it'll take one of the big prizemoney demoparties to hold machinima compos
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It's not like it would kill the demoscene, really...
That's just because the demoscene is already dead.
But if that was a response to what I said, I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
Which is not that the scene is dying, but rather turning into something that I cannot relate to (where Machinima would just be one more step in the ongoing process).
And as I said before, that's my opinion, so that's also my problem. But I don't have to like it, and I am free to express my dissatisfaction, so I do.
But if that was a response to what I said, I think you missed the point I was trying to make.
Which is not that the scene is dying, but rather turning into something that I cannot relate to (where Machinima would just be one more step in the ongoing process).
And as I said before, that's my opinion, so that's also my problem. But I don't have to like it, and I am free to express my dissatisfaction, so I do.
Bartender: " You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to learn how to deal with it."
Exactly, the scene has become a girlie thing. No offense to the real women in the scene. If you have the talent, you're welcome as far as I'm concerned. It's about those that lack the talent.
gargaj, still.. to me it's like having a soccermatch during Super Bowl-halftime :D
Being girly is a good thing. You macho men can go and watch wrestling.
Interesting! I have never heard about this community before. Gotta watch some videos now..
maali: that's not a problem really if people are open enough :) ... hm... wait. open-minded... demoscene... err... ok i guess you have a point. :)
It's also interesting to google for "machinima demoscene". In one page, they consider Toys/Gods as a machinima, while an encyclopedia says that the earliest roots of machinima arises from the demoscene. Strange,. I could find more if I searched more, but now I have to go and leave the net..
What does openmindedness have to do with it?
If sceners are openminded enough, they can watch the Machinima demos for themselves, and if they really want to, they can organize Machinima parties.
But forcing Machinima onto demoscene parties/websites just because one or two sceners like them, that's something completely different.
So, because I like motocross, we need a dirt track in the main party hall, and organize a few races?
Sure it will smell like hell, and take up a lot of time and space from the actual demo-related compos, but we're openminded enough for that, right?
If sceners are openminded enough, they can watch the Machinima demos for themselves, and if they really want to, they can organize Machinima parties.
But forcing Machinima onto demoscene parties/websites just because one or two sceners like them, that's something completely different.
So, because I like motocross, we need a dirt track in the main party hall, and organize a few races?
Sure it will smell like hell, and take up a lot of time and space from the actual demo-related compos, but we're openminded enough for that, right?
a bit far fetched Scali. A machinima (christ that stupid fucking name) compo could easily fit somewhere in a schedule. you wouldn't have to watch it, wouldya.
And if it doesn't work, just stop doing it. simple enough. Amiga parties let pc's join in in the end too. it has to start somewhere :)
And if it doesn't work, just stop doing it. simple enough. Amiga parties let pc's join in in the end too. it has to start somewhere :)
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kusma ruikt naar bruine bonen!
1. No one is forcing - it's a mere suggestion.
2. Motocross is realtime so why not?
3. Do you really think a Machinima (ugh. i agree with the name..) compo would take up SO much time? It's a new genre, don't expect more than 2-3 entries...
4. Your way of "openminded" reminds me of "AAAMIIIGAAA".
2. Motocross is realtime so why not?
3. Do you really think a Machinima (ugh. i agree with the name..) compo would take up SO much time? It's a new genre, don't expect more than 2-3 entries...
4. Your way of "openminded" reminds me of "AAAMIIIGAAA".
Perhaps I should have said money instead of time.
As in, the compo must have prizemoney, which is taken from my entry fee... and could have been used elsewhere.
But still... yes... I don't have to watch it, but push this too far, and there will be more stuff I don't want to watch than there is stuff that I do want to watch, so most of it is just wasting my time, and what use is there to care about the scene anymore at all?
Anyway, I think there should be some proper investigation... Why not put a poll up at the website of the parties that are planning to host Machinima compos? Give your own visitors a chance to tell you what they like or don't like you to do with their money.
I just gave my opinion here, but there may be others that share that opinion, so it's the job of the organizers to find out.
My posts merely demonstrate that some people dread the idea of Machinima entering the scene. I may be in the minority, I don't know, and I don't really care. I am a minority in the scene in general, and am only interested in a very small part of all the scene releases and things.
As in, the compo must have prizemoney, which is taken from my entry fee... and could have been used elsewhere.
But still... yes... I don't have to watch it, but push this too far, and there will be more stuff I don't want to watch than there is stuff that I do want to watch, so most of it is just wasting my time, and what use is there to care about the scene anymore at all?
Anyway, I think there should be some proper investigation... Why not put a poll up at the website of the parties that are planning to host Machinima compos? Give your own visitors a chance to tell you what they like or don't like you to do with their money.
I just gave my opinion here, but there may be others that share that opinion, so it's the job of the organizers to find out.
My posts merely demonstrate that some people dread the idea of Machinima entering the scene. I may be in the minority, I don't know, and I don't really care. I am a minority in the scene in general, and am only interested in a very small part of all the scene releases and things.
Oh, and Amiga rulezzzz!
[flamebait]we need a noise compo! :PPP[/flamebait]
[noise]we need a flamebait compo! :PPP[/noise]
I wonder what the intersection of bigotted and openminded is. By the look of it, Scali, you already hate or consider that 80% of the demos that are being released these days are not even worth being called demos or participating in a compo. If machinima creators exhibit interest in using programming to produce realtime content, they are already halfway there. Yes they actually can and code things on top of those engines.. But maybe it isn't macho enough if it isn't c++ (or java eh?) And at least one thing that is interesting there is that their crowd is a lot more varied than ours, with people focusing on all kind of things, some actually coding their own engines, some only focusing on narratives, some focusing on reproducing some sort of theatre experience, some interested in the detournement of game symbolics.
Anyway, it is not like i'm a total fan or anything, but I find the medium interesting and after having met some of their creators I am going to respect what they are doing. It would be important for us to realize we aren't the be all end all, and that we can't learn anything from others.
Anyway, it is not like i'm a total fan or anything, but I find the medium interesting and after having met some of their creators I am going to respect what they are doing. It would be important for us to realize we aren't the be all end all, and that we can't learn anything from others.
and that we can, even.
Yes, let's attack Scali for his opinion on Machinima, and throw in uninformed crap remarks like Java (and you bring up respect in the same post?).
Bottom line is that I don't like Machinima, regardless of how varied and interesting the medium is. To get back to respect... I respect that some people like to make Machinima, and some of them are probably good at what they do too... But you should also respect that I am just interested in other things, and don't want to be bothered with Machinima.
Bottom line is that I don't like Machinima, regardless of how varied and interesting the medium is. To get back to respect... I respect that some people like to make Machinima, and some of them are probably good at what they do too... But you should also respect that I am just interested in other things, and don't want to be bothered with Machinima.
What's that about java, just mentioned it because you seemed or still seriously consider it at some point, and were picked on because of that.. Which I would have found ironic if you did start to pick on people using whatever engine language they would use.
And yeah we understood your point. It just seemed to be a tad obsessive. Which prompted my remarks.
And yeah we understood your point. It just seemed to be a tad obsessive. Which prompted my remarks.
well, i hate copperbars and (un-norwegian) software rendered demos! and java demos even more!! ban them from parties!
I think saying that Machinima is the same as regular demos using a game engine is a misrepresentation of the truth.
Apart from game engines taking away the charm of the demoscene and its own production tools, Machinima is a genre in itself, which is not directly related to the demoscene.
So the whole direction, atmosphere etc of a Machinima production is quite different from demos in general.
If they really were 'regular' demos built with game engines, I wouldn't even mind that much (I actually liked Doomonstration too).
But because they're extremely artsy (weird music, stupid abstract graphics and overly symbolic storylines), I just can't relate to them at all. I can't relate to extremely artsy demos either, but at least not all of them are like that.
Apart from game engines taking away the charm of the demoscene and its own production tools, Machinima is a genre in itself, which is not directly related to the demoscene.
So the whole direction, atmosphere etc of a Machinima production is quite different from demos in general.
If they really were 'regular' demos built with game engines, I wouldn't even mind that much (I actually liked Doomonstration too).
But because they're extremely artsy (weird music, stupid abstract graphics and overly symbolic storylines), I just can't relate to them at all. I can't relate to extremely artsy demos either, but at least not all of them are like that.
Machinima can be interpreted as a genre or merely a way of production.