AI crap in compo entries?
category: general [glöplog]
Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.
Using disk drives to play imperial march is art.
Using “AI art tool” for anything is nothing.
Using disk drives to play imperial march is art.
Using “AI art tool” for anything is nothing.
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'cos that would explain A LOT.
congrats on purposefully pretending not to understand the obvious tech breakthrough comparison point in a desperate attempt to avoid answering the actual arguments. good job, well done. you win at failing to discuss. keep at it!
@4gentE: There are different opinions on this matter.
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purposefully pretending
I read what you wrote, not my fault you wrote it. We were not talking about technology, we were talking about creativity.
If you don't want my new Tesla in your horse race, then you surely hate technology.
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Imagine you have a magic pen that can draw pictures all by itself. Some people say this magic pen isn't as good as drawing by hand, but that's not true. Just like how taking a photo with a camera is different from painting a picture, using the magic pen is a different way to create things. Some people don't like the magic pen, but that doesn't mean it's not creative.
Thanks ChatGPT!!
@wullon: The question in this example is, if the owner of the magic pen in creative or the pen for itself.
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Taking a piss and a shit in someones face would actually involve some kind of creativity. Using AI generated content doesn't.
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i was talking about paradigm shifts affecting how we perceive things, and it's both valid for creative and non creative things. but you do you.I read what you wrote, not my fault you wrote it. We were not talking about technology, we were talking about creativity.
To me this looks like this: if they invented shoes that magically make short people look tall, by observing people’s reaction to this new invention, you could immidiately know who is short and who is a basketball player. My only real question is why? Why? Why would I want to steal someone’s thunder by using this crap brought to the world by major grifters? I don’t think this is a normal behaviour.
Stop the hate and embrace the future.
Why?
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@wullon: The question in this example is, if the owner of the magic pen in creative or the pen for itself.
yes indeed!
I should have edited ChatGPT output to make it more obvious that the owner (= the photographer) has some kind of creativity :D.
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I should have edited ChatGPT output to make it more obvious that the owner (= the photographer) has some kind of creativity :D.
Yeah, when you buy a painting, you have to creatively decide where on the wall to put it. This is about the amount of creativity we’re talking about when we talk about wielding “AI art machines”. Even hammering the nail into the wall is beyond this creative scope.
Because current AI is not creative. It's just a tool. Creativity is in the entity (human or similar) that prompts the AI (with text, images or some other method present or future).
If you hate AI art you just look like petty humans (or similar) hating other humans (or similar).
Stop hating and just enjoy other people's creativity. The alternative is to simply look like a petty hater.
Now AI are just a mere tool used by people who whant to explore new possibilities.
I don't even want to imagine what will happen when in a few years there will be truly creative and conscious and agentive AI "artificial persons". What will you, haters, do then?
I have spoken.
If you hate AI art you just look like petty humans (or similar) hating other humans (or similar).
Stop hating and just enjoy other people's creativity. The alternative is to simply look like a petty hater.
Now AI are just a mere tool used by people who whant to explore new possibilities.
I don't even want to imagine what will happen when in a few years there will be truly creative and conscious and agentive AI "artificial persons". What will you, haters, do then?
I have spoken.
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If you don't want my new Tesla in your horse race, then you surely hate technology.
do we want the demoscene to be a horse race - a race using outdated tech -
or a race embracing all technologies, including new-rough-around-the-edges tech?
But isn’t it strange that when a human makes a collage from different art-pieces it could be new art and if an AI does the same it’s no art?
Sorry about the typos, I type too fast and I am too tired.
I wish pouët got an edit function sometime.
I wish pouët got an edit function sometime.
Sure, you can have a Tesla AND a horse in the demoscene. But surely not in the same race / category…
AI art will be really interesting when AI is creating it for itself and doesn’t need the humans anymore. :o)
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Yeah, when you buy a painting, you have to creatively decide where on the wall to put it.
Do you think an interior designer is not creative, because he don't make the paintings or the furnitures he uses?
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I don't even want to imagine what will happen when in a few years there will be truly creative and conscious and agentive AI "artificial persons". What will you, haters, do then?
Those stupid native american warriors hating the newcomers and despising their tech and their whisky. They should have listened to the wiser among them telling them to stop hating.
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Do you think an interior designer is not creative, because he don't make the paintings or the furnitures he uses?
Interior designer doesn’t go stealing the painters income.
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do we want the demoscene to be a horse race - a race using outdated tech -
or a race embracing all technologies, including new-rough-around-the-edges tech?
We have to think what is the essence of demoscene and select allowed or prioritized technologies to match it.
During the most active period of the demoscene, the latest technology like graphic and music workstations were not seen in the compos. Using the latest tech hasn't traditionally been the core value of the demoscene.
Embrace the future by learning to draw. It’s never too late. Or, you know, commission someone! It’s not hard to find an artist willing to draw whatever you want.
All other arguments aside, I think it’s just… boring. A computer mashed some images together? from a database of millions of images?? that were illicitly obtained??? with no way to credit any of the original work???? It’s just boring and gross.
Art without the human element is boring. The process of art is what makes it exciting. The process is fun! The process is how we learn, improve, and find our little quirks and touches that makes your style yours! I want to see the little mistakes and details an artist put in because they feel strongly about it, or unintentionally missed it, rather than a piece of software deciding it based on abstract calculations.
And I know someone is going to say this, but complex math coming from the brain of a coder will always be more interesting than a computer mashing up numbers together with no real regard or understanding of what it does.
The human element matters.
And don’t come in my hood with “but writing prompts is the human element”, ny’all cowards won’t even write ALT text for images.
Or is this just another leap into the capitalist dystopia where instant gratification matters more than our humanity?
All other arguments aside, I think it’s just… boring. A computer mashed some images together? from a database of millions of images?? that were illicitly obtained??? with no way to credit any of the original work???? It’s just boring and gross.
Art without the human element is boring. The process of art is what makes it exciting. The process is fun! The process is how we learn, improve, and find our little quirks and touches that makes your style yours! I want to see the little mistakes and details an artist put in because they feel strongly about it, or unintentionally missed it, rather than a piece of software deciding it based on abstract calculations.
And I know someone is going to say this, but complex math coming from the brain of a coder will always be more interesting than a computer mashing up numbers together with no real regard or understanding of what it does.
The human element matters.
And don’t come in my hood with “but writing prompts is the human element”, ny’all cowards won’t even write ALT text for images.
Or is this just another leap into the capitalist dystopia where instant gratification matters more than our humanity?
