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breakpoint 2008

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smash/zest: Gfx card may still be changed to a faster one, but it will be a Nvidia one.
added on the 2008-02-28 11:48:51 by scamp scamp
scamp: cool. using that res to the full with aa on needs serious amounts of vram for the framebuffers and some serious pixel power to drive it, but the top of the line 8800 should suffice.. :) would be great to be able to use the screen to the max.
added on the 2008-02-28 12:03:11 by smash smash
skrebbel: you not only can, in fact you have to. quoting from the real wild rules: "Submissions must include a digital video of the entry [..] If you are unable to record such a file by yourself, please contact us early enough at the party so we can help you.". in short, us recording the entries should be the exception, not the rule.

this is simply because we usually have less than 30 minutes for each entry - for c64 and amiga compos, we set up everything once, make it's correctly calibrated and then capture 10 or 15 entries in one run. for real wild, we're lucky if two entries use the same platform. so we just use the DV we get directly - no time to denoise, crop+reencode. (besides, playing 50hz video from a PC without dropped frames is still pretty hard)
added on the 2008-02-28 12:19:56 by ryg ryg
smash: we'll try to get two top of the line 8800s in a SLI configuration. but that's not certain yet. the specs listed right now are what we can guarantee.
added on the 2008-02-28 12:21:03 by ryg ryg
smash now explain why you need AA with a beamer
added on the 2008-02-28 12:55:01 by xeNusion xeNusion
xenusion: because a blurred jagged edge still looks worse than a blurred antialiased edge.
added on the 2008-02-28 13:02:25 by smash smash
just let it run with 320x256 like the amiga tards and everything will be smooth :)
added on the 2008-02-28 13:21:38 by xeNusion xeNusion
xeNusion : hahaha : you made my day !
added on the 2008-02-28 13:39:46 by nytrik nytrik
xenusion, the pixels are a lot sharper with a typical (LCD or DLP) projector than they are with a CRT.
added on the 2008-02-28 13:51:48 by ryg ryg
ryg das waere schon physikalisch unmoeglich :)
ein beamer blurt immer... wenn die entfernung zur projektionsflaeche groesser ist in noch staerkerem ausmass.
der naechste brauchbare schritt waere wohl lasertechnik. die streut nicht so stark. davon scheint der konsumermarkt aber noch nen paar jahre entfernt zu sein
added on the 2008-02-28 14:25:25 by xeNusion xeNusion
ich sagte nicht "perfekt scharf", sondern "schärfer als ein röhrenmonitor". son elektronenstrahl streut nämlich ne ganze größenordnung mehr (im verhältnis zur pixelgröße) als ein lcd-panel, und dlp ist nochmal deutlich besser. das ist selbst dann noch deutlich, wenn man davor eine (nicht perfekte) optik schraubt. natürlich haben die pixel auf der leinwand dann trotzdem unscharfe kanten, aber da bei unserem projektor der abstand auge-leinwand in der regel >3m ist (vs. so 30-50cm bei nem monitor), gleicht sich das mehr als aus.

und wer offensichtlich nicht mal weiß, was der unterschied zwischen blurring und antialiasing ist, sollte aussagen wie "physikalisch unmöglich" besser sein lassen.
added on the 2008-02-28 14:35:57 by ryg ryg
xen: 1080p auf ner 12x6.5m-Leinwand gibt aber immer noch deutlich sichtbar eckige Pixel. Das limitierende Faktor sind da eher die Augen, wenn man nicht direkt davor steht :)
added on the 2008-02-28 14:37:18 by kb_ kb_
Stick to English already. Damn.
added on the 2008-02-28 14:38:16 by Archmage Archmage
man vet det er business når tyskerne snakker sammen på grettent røverspråk. Best å ikke blande seg.
added on the 2008-02-28 14:38:35 by Hyde Hyde
rygi wenn du nicht lesen kannst versuchs einfach nochmal.
smash hat offensichtlich begriffen das ich den unterschied sehr wohl kenne.
die intention meines posting war einfach nur zu sagen das es unsinnig waere bei 1080p uebern beamer auf AA zu bestehen.
eigentlich spielt das euch nur in die haende da ich sli fuer kontraproduktiv halte.

aber halt nur dein feindbild aufrecht...

@kb leider steht kaum jemand direkt davor :)
ich kenne die entfernung der beamer nicht aber in der vergangenheit
war das bild einfach nur extrem geblurt. pixel konnte man nicht ausmachen.
wird nun sicher besser sein als vorher.
added on the 2008-02-28 15:04:14 by xeNusion xeNusion
franska är kärlekens språk och tyska är bildskärmarnas
added on the 2008-02-28 15:08:27 by hollowman hollowman
the bigger, the better! ;-)
btw.
Ich fand das Bild bei den letzten malen Schärfe- und Kontrast-mäßig auch schon super, und wenn man auf dem Grandstand sitzt, kann man Pixel eh nicht mehr ausmachen, egal wie geil der Beamer ist. :-)
wie auch immer : Ich freu mich schon drauf!
added on the 2008-02-28 15:42:07 by v3nom v3nom
Olha, e se se fossem foder e falar moonspeak para outro lado?
added on the 2008-02-28 15:44:17 by xernobyl xernobyl
Ich freue mich schon auf ein neues Metalvotzen-Spiel in FullHD. Das wird fein ;)
added on the 2008-02-28 15:48:45 by raer raer
PRESSWURST FullHD \o/ ... aaahh hell
added on the 2008-02-28 15:54:57 by d0DgE d0DgE
die pixel sind doch das wichtigste. je pixliger, desto besser!
Ryg: having a SLI configuration is a big risk though :

- you might end up with entries that will all be set for BP's insane hardware and will run slowly on everybody's machine once back home. But well, as a BP org I guess the rest if not your concern and it's understandable, but still ;)

- the biggest problem being if the authors did not test their work on SLI configs, the prods have a good chance to end up running with serious issues. It usually doesn't run automatically, especially if you mess with advanced stuff, and people entering the competitions probably will :)
added on the 2008-02-28 16:01:26 by keops keops
IS not your concern ;)
added on the 2008-02-28 16:09:58 by keops keops
xenusion: as the pixel size doesn't change much, neither does the value of antialiasing. if we'd use a significantly higher resolution for the same area, the value of AA would indeed decrease, but we don't, and it doesn't.

keops: i'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't be able to view a demo in 1920x1080 anyway. but as we have the technology(tm), it would be a shame not to use it.

as for SLI, that's not certain anyway. we might also end up using a highend quadro card. not sure yet.
added on the 2008-02-28 16:10:03 by ryg ryg
Quote:
keops: i'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't be able to view a demo in 1920x1080 anyway. but as we have the technology(tm), it would be a shame not to use it.


Indeed.


About SLI, really be careful, we had some crappy surprises with it :)
added on the 2008-02-28 16:12:43 by keops keops

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