5.1 channel soundtracks for demos
category: general [glöplog]
So if stereo mix is the way most folks would recommend, wouldnt that make dolby pro-logic the best compromise? Do most of the digital decoders also handle good old pro-logic?
How is it mixed in again?
L=L+rear+C
R=R-rear+C
How is it mixed in again?
L=L+rear+C
R=R-rear+C
of course creating sophisticated 5.1-sounds demands optimal technical environment and know-how.
BUT I think there's no reason not to try it, even if first results will be more or less poor. Quite some scene-musicians should have a home-theater customer surround-system and there should be ways to use surround-tools for fx and encoding.
So let's say, technically its possible but no hi-end-quality to be expected.
My opinion is, making surround-remixes of existing material which wasn't made for surround-purposes in the beginning will more or less fail, but equipping new demos with soundtracks serving the purpose of surround would be a nice improvement.
Surround-PAs on parties don't seem to be possible due to the dimensions of the halls, but delivering an additional stereo-mixdown for "party-versions" should do the trick (that's why dvds include stereomixdowns for non-surround-environments per definition).
For myself I'm concentrating on stereo for the next time as most sceners are doing for now, but there'll always be some sceners starting that thing - I'm confident of that.
BUT I think there's no reason not to try it, even if first results will be more or less poor. Quite some scene-musicians should have a home-theater customer surround-system and there should be ways to use surround-tools for fx and encoding.
So let's say, technically its possible but no hi-end-quality to be expected.
My opinion is, making surround-remixes of existing material which wasn't made for surround-purposes in the beginning will more or less fail, but equipping new demos with soundtracks serving the purpose of surround would be a nice improvement.
Surround-PAs on parties don't seem to be possible due to the dimensions of the halls, but delivering an additional stereo-mixdown for "party-versions" should do the trick (that's why dvds include stereomixdowns for non-surround-environments per definition).
For myself I'm concentrating on stereo for the next time as most sceners are doing for now, but there'll always be some sceners starting that thing - I'm confident of that.
you know, Future Crew already did it in '93!
Considering most "demoscene musicians" (what an awful description, but true in some cases :) doesn't even know how to mix in 2 channels properly, I'm afraid what might happen if I cranked up a 5.1 mixed demo on my surround system. ;)
Anyway being able to code/watch a demo in a 5.1 HD home theater system (with a big screen/projection) would be great...
gloom: I was just about to say the same. I think it's good to master the art of stereo before one indulges in more channels.
I have full access to a mixing cinema at my school, but I really don't see the need for surround in demos except for the typical "cool effects coming from behind, over your shoulder"-sounds.
I think most demoscene musicians are self taught, which often means trial and error, and I can definitly imagine a lot of musicians falling into the temptation of going TOO crazy with the LFE-channel.
How many of you guys out there have calibrated listening volumes on your surround systems?
I have full access to a mixing cinema at my school, but I really don't see the need for surround in demos except for the typical "cool effects coming from behind, over your shoulder"-sounds.
I think most demoscene musicians are self taught, which often means trial and error, and I can definitly imagine a lot of musicians falling into the temptation of going TOO crazy with the LFE-channel.
How many of you guys out there have calibrated listening volumes on your surround systems?
Irvin: I've calibrated mine. Which brings me onto a slightly different point:
I have a surround system + big tv, I guess lots of other sceners have the same. BUT... no computer anywhere near it (and I wouldn't want a computer in that room either). I have a computer i watch demos on at the far opposite corner of the house, and it has only stereo speakers.
I'm sure there are people with 5.1 systems on their computer, or a computer by their tv, but I'm guessing this is a small minority? At least, I've never actually come across either case in life. If so, then really the main use for 5.1 mixes is going to be the demo dvds, which is pretty much where we're at now.
I have a surround system + big tv, I guess lots of other sceners have the same. BUT... no computer anywhere near it (and I wouldn't want a computer in that room either). I have a computer i watch demos on at the far opposite corner of the house, and it has only stereo speakers.
I'm sure there are people with 5.1 systems on their computer, or a computer by their tv, but I'm guessing this is a small minority? At least, I've never actually come across either case in life. If so, then really the main use for 5.1 mixes is going to be the demo dvds, which is pretty much where we're at now.
Oh yeah, for those who didn't guess, this was an informal survey for the next MindCandy disc. If there's not very much interest in making 5.1 tracks, then I can say it's not worth trying to get it from musicians. I'll still try to get the highest bitrate (or uncompressed) tracks I can, though.
phoenix: for me at least, for demos in general it's a 'nice to have bonus' but perhaps not worth the extra work. For a demo dvd, it's certainly worth it, as a dvd player is much more likely to have 5.1 sound attached and it's not much of a problem to have stereo on there too.
Yeah, but if we get something like four 5.1 soundtracks and there are 50 demos on the disc, it isn't really worth the trouble and space.
i don't really see how music can benefit from surround sound (but then again, i guess at one point they said that about stereo too)
but many more demos need sound effects, and there's no reason not to do those nicely threedee. a debris with some 5.1 stuff in there could've been cool.
but many more demos need sound effects, and there's no reason not to do those nicely threedee. a debris with some 5.1 stuff in there could've been cool.
Actually, the part where the water-snake hits the camera in Stargazer is derived from 5.1 water samples and mixed down to stereo. :)
gloom: 5.1 water samples? Nice! Where did you get these?
