Revision 2013
category: parties [glöplog]
Dam, it really does suck if you wanna be a professional selling artists and a demoscener at the same time!!
Thankfully the only money I ever made out of music was dodgy bootleg remixes! and you wouldn't want people knowing it was you
Thankfully the only money I ever made out of music was dodgy bootleg remixes! and you wouldn't want people knowing it was you
hm hoffman ... i know djs got famous from bootlegs.
Is anyone surprised that the german mechanical royalties society is the most nazi of them all? ;) Atleast with SACEM you have the choice to include all your work or only selected work.
Just a question to *.* orga involved, how much is the GEMA fee? (not the fine, just the fee i you want to go with their racketeering)
Just a question to *.* orga involved, how much is the GEMA fee? (not the fine, just the fee i you want to go with their racketeering)
In the ballpark of 7k I believe?
to play 30 registered songs or whatever in front of 1500 geeks - or a like 10 million plays on spotify. Seems fair.
7k? thats only 25 times more than they wanted us to pay for MAiN 2007 and 30 times more than we payed for CORE2001. Good Guy GEMA....
that fee will (at least) double by next year too =P
I guess GEMA will create a pouet thread called "real music stolen by a bunch of beer drinking geeks and we took them with their pants down".
The way to solve problems like this is to write letters to GEMA, to the newspaper, get reporters interested (I'm sure this doesn't only apply to demosceners), perhaps even get the EFF interested.
Because *if* this is true "Well, at least as a member of GEMA you are not allowed to distribute your music under a CC license, which I would expect many people to use who are not aware of this problem" there's something that could open up a wellspring of international support.
*****Seriously though, don't let GEMA spoil the party, just come and make stuff anyway!*****
(in terms of "F*CK GEMA", I bet Topy is already setting up a run of tshirts . . .)
Now, who's bringing prods?
Because *if* this is true "Well, at least as a member of GEMA you are not allowed to distribute your music under a CC license, which I would expect many people to use who are not aware of this problem" there's something that could open up a wellspring of international support.
*****Seriously though, don't let GEMA spoil the party, just come and make stuff anyway!*****
(in terms of "F*CK GEMA", I bet Topy is already setting up a run of tshirts . . .)
Now, who's bringing prods?
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7k? thats only 25 times more than they wanted us to pay for MAiN 2007 and 30 times more than we payed for CORE2001. Good Guy GEMA....
You know.... piracy is killing the record industry and something has to be done to pay for the C level wages.
(p.s. you know, somebody could start a petition if we can come up with a clear statement for it; also see here on an example of a protest: http://www.factmag.com/2012/07/05/berlins-new-royalties-system-puts-berghain-watergate-and-more-under-threat/)
But again, Revision is coming, yay!
But again, Revision is coming, yay!
will there be live concerts and such? I guess DJ Performances are out of the question?
nic0: there will be djs - don't worry.
Would it make sense to invite the c3s guys?
DFox cool - maybe they play creative commons tracks or do you just pay-per-tune for them?
Something like that, yes :) We're still in discussions with gema about it.
Cool, glad you actually do this work, once again blazing a trail for others after us. Wonder how we'd handle this issue at TRSAC.
nic0, we will be very quiet about it and never mention TRSAC to anyone again ever on the internet
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Bugger, this could make my Dj set a tad complicated or simply unbraodcastable!
Just play a lug00ber only set (we all know that's what you really want anyway). I'm not registered with any copyright society.
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The suggested solution about musicians registering as their real handle, but register under another person's real name, would remove the problem from Revision organizers, but it'd definitely put yourself in risk of accusations on fraud.
Well, if the victim of the fraud is Revision, chance is that you won't be dragged to court.
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Well, at least as a member of GEMA you are not allowed to distribute your music under a CC license, which I would expect many people to use who are not aware of this problem.
Not really surprising. If you already made an agreement with someone you can't choose to simply ignore that agreement when it doesn't suit you anymore. And that's not GEMA's fault, it's yours (or your neglect, depending).
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The way to solve problems like this is to write letters to GEMA, to the newspaper, get reporters interested (I'm sure this doesn't only apply to demosceners), perhaps even get the EFF interested.
Because *if* this is true "Well, at least as a member of GEMA you are not allowed to distribute your music under a CC license, which I would expect many people to use who are not aware of this problem" there's something that could open up a wellspring of international support.
Here's a news headline for you:
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Man willingly enters agreement, left dumbfounded when figuring out he can't break the agreement whenever he sees fit
While GEMA clearly are fucktards, lug00ber just won the thread.
It's not a "take it or leave it", good or evil, black or white situation. Contracts, rules and practices do change, and GEMA & co can perfectly well make a provision for underground and hobby stuff like the demoscene. But they won't, before there's enough pressure, because changes require a lot of time and money. The pressure can come for example from their clients or other stakeholders, laws, or public media attention.
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If you already made an agreement with someone you can't choose to simply ignore that agreement when it doesn't suit you anymore. And that's not GEMA's fault, it's yours (or your neglect, depending)
As far as I understand, part of the issue here is that Musician A enters into an agreement with their own royalty collection agency in Country A, but runs into a problem when trying to perform activity in Country B, where a different agency has a different set of rules.
A number of royalty collection agencies explicitly do permit their artists to release under cc but apparently GEMA does not respect that, does it?
Note, however, that the permissions mentioned in my previous post only refer to the non-commercial variants of cc. I don't know whether these permit releasing at demoparties.
What Gloom said L00gie said :)
