Easter 2011
category: parties [glöplog]
where is that "stolen scene music" thread goin to by now? btw.
so okkie - when and where will this party be?
this is just.... sigh.. how it goes around on the bbs..
just for the record, i have thanked the bp team in the past.. and no it was just a question I asked here in public if (which I have no intention to) i wanted to write an article i would have contacted scamp directly. dlz, perhaps Saga Musix and Maali''s reaction made you to assume things.. Better just ask me next time and certainly dont base your reaction to some1 on what some1 else wrote :) now all of you go make a demo about it ;)
just for the record, i have thanked the bp team in the past.. and no it was just a question I asked here in public if (which I have no intention to) i wanted to write an article i would have contacted scamp directly. dlz, perhaps Saga Musix and Maali''s reaction made you to assume things.. Better just ask me next time and certainly dont base your reaction to some1 on what some1 else wrote :) now all of you go make a demo about it ;)
Okkie: LOL that'' s close to a demo.. :) nice youtube video Wullon posted of you..
I dont know if it has been mentioned in this thread. But the big reason why there would never be possible to have a big demoparty with lots and lots of people from all over europe in norway is simply because the fact that it norway is so god damn expensive. A demoparty in norway would exclude the big part of the demoscene wich isnt so, lets say lucky, and especially most of the demosceners from the eastern european countries wich is alot less lucky...
thats why the best choice for a broad big popular demoparty on easter is be germany. The country where a beer and a currywurst doesnt cost 75 euro and icebears dont roam the streets and randomly attack people. oh and where ryanair got one of their biggest nodes ofcource.
thats why the best choice for a broad big popular demoparty on easter is be germany. The country where a beer and a currywurst doesnt cost 75 euro and icebears dont roam the streets and randomly attack people. oh and where ryanair got one of their biggest nodes ofcource.
icebears?
I would prefer it was icebeers but yeah, icebears =(
dubmood: it being once a year, IF you only go to that demoparty, I don't think 500-600 euro (probably what you'd need for attending) would be TOO much given the current average demoscene age.
Of course, that's if you ONLY want to attend ONE demoparty a year...
...and if the 2008 financlal crisis didn't hit your family :-).
I have an unemployed (for a year and a half) wife, thus my family monthly income is extremely low these days, and -if i was all that interested in demoscene nowadays, which i'm not- would still be willing to spend 600~700 euro a year on a trip like that.
That said... yes, Norway is pretty expensive, but so is Germany for many other euro countries, plus, if you don't happen to live anywhere near ryanair lines to germany (don't know nowadays, but before, that only happened near Madrid and Barcelona in Spain... rest of airports that operated ryanair only had lines to england and ireland), it was QUITE costly to attend BP: i made my math one year, and it'd have been ~600 euro (basically the same as if it was in Norway)... taken the average salary in spain of ~1000-1200 euro, that's still a lot. However, as I said, still doable if you want to attend one demoparty a year and not really want to have any other vacation (or you happen to be a lucky guy who earns much more than the average a month, or have no family or other expenses whatsoever).
When I used to go to spanish demo parties, my average expenses would be ~500 eur a year for that, and used to go to at least 3 or 4 parties every year.
In conclusion, Norway would be as good as any other place EXCEPT for the germans (and the dutch :-) )... and of course, the norwegians :-)
Of course, that's if you ONLY want to attend ONE demoparty a year...
...and if the 2008 financlal crisis didn't hit your family :-).
I have an unemployed (for a year and a half) wife, thus my family monthly income is extremely low these days, and -if i was all that interested in demoscene nowadays, which i'm not- would still be willing to spend 600~700 euro a year on a trip like that.
That said... yes, Norway is pretty expensive, but so is Germany for many other euro countries, plus, if you don't happen to live anywhere near ryanair lines to germany (don't know nowadays, but before, that only happened near Madrid and Barcelona in Spain... rest of airports that operated ryanair only had lines to england and ireland), it was QUITE costly to attend BP: i made my math one year, and it'd have been ~600 euro (basically the same as if it was in Norway)... taken the average salary in spain of ~1000-1200 euro, that's still a lot. However, as I said, still doable if you want to attend one demoparty a year and not really want to have any other vacation (or you happen to be a lucky guy who earns much more than the average a month, or have no family or other expenses whatsoever).
When I used to go to spanish demo parties, my average expenses would be ~500 eur a year for that, and used to go to at least 3 or 4 parties every year.
In conclusion, Norway would be as good as any other place EXCEPT for the germans (and the dutch :-) )... and of course, the norwegians :-)
... plus (as for the freezing shed), I don't remember being as cold ever as I was during the trip to M&S 200(1?) (including the hot air blowers at the sleeping hall that only happened to blow hot air to ~1mt over the floor... riding them useless when you were laying on the sleeping mat and freezing your balls off :-)
Of course, that was solved easily by getting your mat and going to some corner of the main hall, pretty warm due to the overcrowding and the CPUs :-)
Of course, that was solved easily by getting your mat and going to some corner of the main hall, pretty warm due to the overcrowding and the CPUs :-)
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dubmood: it being once a year, IF you only go to that demoparty, I don't think 500-600 euro (probably what you'd need for attending) would be TOO much given the current average demoscene age.
Or maybe it's to much on the contrary for the average old-enough-to-be-daddy scener who has a family on the budget?
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That said... yes, Norway is pretty expensive, but so is Germany for many other euro countries, plus, if you don't happen to live anywhere near ryanair lines to germany (don't know nowadays, but before, that only happened near Madrid and Barcelona in Spain... rest of airports that operated ryanair only had lines to england and ireland), it was QUITE costly to attend BP: i made my math one year, and it'd have been ~600 euro (basically the same as if it was in Norway)...
I'm pretty surprised by your figures. I have been to BP'09 and BP'10, and though I don't recall the exact expenses, it was about 400€ per person in 2009 (flight booked at the last moment), and about 300€ in 2010 (flight booked way sooner). We slept in a *** hotel, and used a national company for the flights.
When we went to Evoke, we came by train, didn't even bother to book an hotel and slept in the skate park, and that led to a grand total of 200€ per person, and we had plenty of food left in the end.
Well, we're only about 600km away from those parties, so you can consider the travel expenses to increase should you take off from, say, Madrid. But still, 600€ sounds to me like an insane amount for attending a party, even if you're rather wealthy.
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dubmood: it being once a year, IF you only go to that demoparty, I don't think 500-600 euro (probably what you'd need for attending) would be TOO much given the current average demoscene age.
AH. Yeah, basically, you're saying that the older we are, the more we earn. Hopefully, I'm still young :)
JCL you are not from norway are you? thoose figures are horrible. and on top of that, isnt 600 euro like the avarage salary in eastern europe? Going to breakpoint, including flights food lots of beer and hotel (wich is a sort of luxury) is like 300euros. wich equals a breakfast sandwich and a cofee in norway.
you fools, the way to do the thing is to take all the booze & cigarettes from abroad to norway, and then NOT BUY ANYTHING THERE and sell all the extra to norwegians. you end up getting some nice profit and dont pay so much at all.
moral at the end of the day: to go to a norwegian demoparty, you have to prostitue yourself into becomming a smuggler and a criminal otherwise you wount afford it.
add the increased risk of ending up on slengpung in a photo with leia drinking beer and the weather conditions to that calculation and you see that germany is such a better place for a easter party.
add the increased risk of ending up on slengpung in a photo with leia drinking beer and the weather conditions to that calculation and you see that germany is such a better place for a easter party.
when thinking of it. I think greece would be an even better place.
dude, you're making music, you should be used to prostitution :)
Would you go to a demoparty that posts videos with lies? That's not Utrecht at all!
dubmood: i'm from southern spain... going to Germany in general either means: do it by car (that's an insane amount of money if you don't share... and there's absolutely no more sceners where I live), or -again, i'm talking when I used to go to demo parties-, go to Madrid (400km from my place) or Barcelona (600km) by:
1) plane, it's -at very least- 300€ since there's no cheap airline going there from where I live
2) car... the trip would be cheaper (~70-80€ gas for madrid roundtrip, ~100 gas for barcelona, plus ~100 tolls)... add that a parking for the car near the airport (sum around another 70-100 bucks)
Plus the plane from madrid or barcelona by a cheap airline [read: ryanair] (now that depends on your baggage, but say 30-50€ roundtrip if you are lucky, 100-150€ if you are not), plus hotel in germany if you book one, plus buses in germany from the airport to the party.
Then add food and booze and whatnot in germany (or norway)... yes, 600€ sounds like right to me (then again, from my place, but it's still in Europe), and that's on the cheap side.
That's the reason I just stopped going to demo parties outside back when I was 20/21 :-)
Of course, that's from where I live (that's Murcia, Spain)... as I said, if you live in Madrid or Barcelona probably expenses get cut by half (and MAYBE nowadays there are already direct ryanair flights from my place to germany, but there weren't when I was interested in going to foreign parties... only cheap flights to england or ireland).
Ah, yes, there used to be another option: fly to england then to germany from england (that'd still make the flight expensive, but doable)... but I checked the flight times many years and it involved spending two nights in england, and I usually could not afford [as I had to work, you know] getting 2 days of extra vacation just for making flight connections. You know, I *would* get 2 days of vacation for spending them at a demoparty... but for spending them at airport motels (/or worse, on an airport bench)? no way.
1) plane, it's -at very least- 300€ since there's no cheap airline going there from where I live
2) car... the trip would be cheaper (~70-80€ gas for madrid roundtrip, ~100 gas for barcelona, plus ~100 tolls)... add that a parking for the car near the airport (sum around another 70-100 bucks)
Plus the plane from madrid or barcelona by a cheap airline [read: ryanair] (now that depends on your baggage, but say 30-50€ roundtrip if you are lucky, 100-150€ if you are not), plus hotel in germany if you book one, plus buses in germany from the airport to the party.
Then add food and booze and whatnot in germany (or norway)... yes, 600€ sounds like right to me (then again, from my place, but it's still in Europe), and that's on the cheap side.
That's the reason I just stopped going to demo parties outside back when I was 20/21 :-)
Of course, that's from where I live (that's Murcia, Spain)... as I said, if you live in Madrid or Barcelona probably expenses get cut by half (and MAYBE nowadays there are already direct ryanair flights from my place to germany, but there weren't when I was interested in going to foreign parties... only cheap flights to england or ireland).
Ah, yes, there used to be another option: fly to england then to germany from england (that'd still make the flight expensive, but doable)... but I checked the flight times many years and it involved spending two nights in england, and I usually could not afford [as I had to work, you know] getting 2 days of extra vacation just for making flight connections. You know, I *would* get 2 days of vacation for spending them at a demoparty... but for spending them at airport motels (/or worse, on an airport bench)? no way.
http://goo.gl/maps/rewb
I actually did Murcia -> Fallingbostel by car back in 2001 on a very old (it was already VERY old in 2001) Mercedes... that was both expensive and tiresome (just felt like doing an adventure road trip back in those days... not anymore :-) ).
I actually did Murcia -> Fallingbostel by car back in 2001 on a very old (it was already VERY old in 2001) Mercedes... that was both expensive and tiresome (just felt like doing an adventure road trip back in those days... not anymore :-) ).
Just checked... Ryanair still doesn't seem to have a lot of more options than england or ireland from Murcia:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9872/ryanairchoices.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9872/ryanairchoices.jpg
bbcode sucks
oh, Alicante airport (which is ~1 hour by car from my place) NOW has cheap ryanair flights from there to frankfurt... it didn't back then :-)
That's a nice finding... even if not planning to go to any demoparty (in germany or norway)... visiting Frankfurt for a weekend would be a nice mini-vacation! :-)
That's a nice finding... even if not planning to go to any demoparty (in germany or norway)... visiting Frankfurt for a weekend would be a nice mini-vacation! :-)
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... plus (as for the freezing shed), I don't remember being as cold ever as I was during the trip to M&S 200(1?) (including the hot air blowers at the sleeping hall that only happened to blow hot air to ~1mt over the floor... riding them useless when you were laying on the sleeping mat and freezing your balls off :-)
That sounds very much like the 2002 edition. I remember the free tent-based arctic survival course that was thrown in for the party admission price very well. I hope the organisers asked for their money back for the heating system as due to the physics of rising hot air, the only beneficiary was the portion of outer space immediately above the sleeping tent.
