Non-scener's confusion about the scene
category: general [glöplog]
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Quote:ok, we can wrap this up!
in what?
crinkler.exe
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I've not got a picture that bifat would have gone through databases systematically enough to make a paper. He has just merely rised up few productions to emphasize his points. So the work probably remains to be done anyway.
fwiw, I did some reading and the counter points that were brought up by @bifat and @krill seem to align with the overall vibe of interviews in recollection. don't mean to downplay them, the mag itself is a very interesting read but indeed a more systematic approach might be required to draw any conclusions. There are definietely some questions I'd love to see answered first, either by analysis of csdb or reaching out to some early sceners with a bit more structured questions than a free-form memoirs, so @bitfat & @krill - in case you'd like to discuss this further or possibly help with reaching out to the early sceners, given pouet does not do DMs, feel free to ping me on discord (æn.d͡ʒə.loʊ aka @unjello).
angelo: I can post a request on CSDb - main question would be how to qualify as early scener. Probably needs some kind of magical threshold year. =)
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Here's a definition I came up with: demo = computer + timewhat is a demo?
i turned on my computer and left it there for 3 days. is this a demo
Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg?
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Strictly speaking, yes.i turned on my computer and left it there for 3 days. is this a demo
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cracking scene was first and then somehow spawned the demoscene.
that you can't stand that being true is your problem.
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If you ignore Harry and Lloyd here and their pitiful pose, it’s all pretty clear.
At 6:35, Abyss/Future Crew says*:
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(subtitles)1980-luvun loppupuolella niissä tuli niin mageita,
että wareskene, eli missä kopioitiin pelejä,
ja tämä, mistä tuli demoskene, irtaantui.
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(Översättning subtitles)I slutet av 1980-talet började demona bli så häftiga
att kopierandet och crackandet och det som senare blev demoscenen
lösgjorde sig från varann
och man började tävla om vem som gjorde de bästa.
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(machine translation of Swedish subtitles with some manual brush-ups)In the late 1980s, demos started to become so impressive
that copying and cracking and what later became the demo scene
separated from each other
and people started competing to see who made the best ones.
* Thanks to hot multimedia for noting.