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I know it's probably futile to start a thread related to actual demomaking but it's weird that this here hasn't gotten any more coverage on pouet:

http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/visual-studio-community-vs.aspx a full Visual Studio 2013 for free with not only all the bells and whistles (Graphics Debugger! \o/ Git integration \o/ Add-Ons \o/) but with an actual demoscene friendly license attached. Finally the days of having to use DirectX11 blindly (or falling back to 9) are over :)

(or did I miss that we all got so old that ppl either quit coding or have long bought a Professional edition? Dunno :)

I'm not a real coder but with this I was able to make a C# application that makes my gamepad rumble in less than an hour using google and dxslim (because of the lulz).
Isn't that totally a reason for you to use it for your next demo? :P

C++ for runtime, C# for tools - both handled by VStudio. Of course this is awesome news...

This is excellent, how long has this been available? I am sure it wasn't around for long since when I went looking for a free version of visual studio the only option for me was the express version.

Nadella is really cleaning up, this is good!

Unfortunately it doesn't run on WinXP, so i'm stuck with 2008 :<
Now there's hope that M$ will fix up C++11/14 support properly at some point, and then we can talk again.
Alternatively drop in the MSVC clang driver and get an *actual* compiler that generates *proper* code. [/rant]

drift: iirc VS becoming free was announced a week ago or so.

Did not know about this either, thanks for sharing the news kb! :) Is this the real deal (i.e. complete with MFC support etc. pp.) or are there some restrictions?

Checked the FAQ and found the answer. Awesome news indeed! \o/

Not related to demomaking, but did anyone check if it also contains MFC?

I should probably read the entire thread before posting. :D

sounds good.

As you directly linked to the visualStudio-page, some ppl may miss out on this:
unlimited PRIVATE repos!

Thanks a lot for this thread! ♥
I have licenses for ultimate 2005,2008 and 2010...but am using 2012 express...
...which really was only lacking the addOns!
I wouldnt have checked for a new version the next years, as 2012 was almost perfect already! So this thread is worth some gold! ;) \m/

I quit using windows 3 years ago, using mac and linux.
The web is the common platform, and also works for win people, and in the near future on mobile devices.
This is great news, visual studio is great, but a very late move from MS, IMHO.

I thought the actual news was that .NET goes full open source and that you can do Android shit too now (ok, since 2012(?) apparently. :P).

In all fairness I didn't even hear about it from anywhere else. o_O

Iirc it did hit Slashdot.

It's been all over the IT news portals, twitter and facebook. Reconsider your daily information sources :)

2010 runs on XP? And has free 'Express' editions?

Maybe the best advise, Scali, would to be to tell the man to upgrade OS first :)

lol web apps.

Compared to 2008, 2010 is slow, bloated, and crap, and doesn't offer any advantages. Not going to happen. :P



One does not simply upgrade XP. It's a retro platform now!
Same as suggesting to upgrade a C64 to a pentium MMX! Blasphemy! :P



Missed this. This is GOOD news. But tbh, even though github charges money for private repos, Bitbucket has been offering *some* free private git repos for a loong time now. So there are alternatives.
Let's see if github starts offering some form of free private repos in the near future...

It offers a better compiler out of the box (though 2012 is a lot nicer, especially in regard to CPP11).

But there are many ways around the default compiler of course.

Also if 2010 or 2012 give your PC a hard time it might be time to upgrade *that* ;)



The only reason I keep an old P4 around running it is the Xbox 1 (not one) SDK I got hooked up to it. But now that I'm in the middle of moving I'm guessing that stuff is going into permanent storage :)

F# ALL THE THINGS!!

I'd like to but there's still no Fuse beta on my digital doormat!

Say what?
My experience is that 2008 is extremely bloated, slow and buggy. 2010 on the other hand is quite lightweight. The compiler also generates better code.
At work we had a solution that was too big to open in 2008... the IDE would randomly crash, and building it would only work from a command prompt with MSBuild, not from within the IDE.
So you had to create subset solutions for actual development.
When we upgraded to VS2010, that problem just disappeared. Suddenly you could open the entire solution and build it without a problem.

I have even installed VS2010 on my ancient Celeron 1.6 GHz laptop with 512 MB from 2002 (the one I used to develop Artnouveau and Croissant 9), and it works acceptably.

So I have to conclude: you have never tried VS2010 and don't know what you're talking about. You simply assume that newer means more bloated.
In actual fact, VS has only become more lightweight. VS2012 and 2013 are even more lightweight than 2010, and have considerably faster compile times as well.

Now that I think about it, even my PII-350 with 320 MB has VS2010 installed, and even on THAT it is reasonably workable.