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Btw. I know a really good studio with proper monitors, prime quality "deck" and racks worth millions. They have isolation, they have vocal boxes. This much much more and one of the best sound engineers in CPH can be yours for a measly 1-2000 dkr a day that you need the studio.

So...you can pay a high profile proffesional with an advanced recording studio 1-2000 danish kroner swartch under das table, or you can give 90% of your income away for the previlige. Unless you only expect to make 2000 danish kroner on your project, the latter sounds like a very very poor deal actually.

If you want studiotime and a tech, email me, and I can make it happen in so far that you live in or around copenhagen. Dont go an offer up most of your money on the altair of Mammon when these services due to competetion from bedroom mastering suits now have to price their wares what it is actually worty!!! not some snobbish inflated price based on what the labels tell people it costs, no the real world worth of the service. KIlling middlemen rules!!!

Actually, they don't. Their finances were made completely transparent in the trial, and they haven't made much from those ads at all.

Eebliss has leading for the rest of the stuff. You can get highly professional recording and mastering help over the internet for diddly squat. I wish the record companies would just let go of their imaginary income potential and focus on what they do best: recording of largely acoustic bands (rock, jazz etc.) and managing tours and shit like that. It's time the music become the property of the people who made it, not the people who profit on it.

to answer the first parts of your post. As I stated in my post. if you let yourself get fucked by a big label then do so just dont play the victim and cry on the internet afterwards.

the second part. There was an interview a few years ago with the guy selling ads for the piratebay and the figures he talked about was enormous. No site in the world would cost that much to run. Then you have the nerds behind thepiratebay bragging on the internet, wich they stopped doing just recently when it got too obvious that they were making alot of green. How do you think they can afford doing their world-tour trips etc? This was all pretty public info just untill the shit hit the fans back in 2006 and they needed to play down their jet-set styles to get some opinion for their case. anyone that hung around their irc-channels back then that aint sucking too much cock today should be able to confirm this.

There is always an official and a real side of all stories. i can give a few examples of TPB:

Official: "No we dont know or work with carl" (the neo-nazi millionaire)
Real: "We are going on a cruise on his big yacth and me (Tiamo) is drinking beer with him all the time"

Official "We are against censoring internet and we are pro-freedom of speech, thats why we wount remove the obductionpictures of the two dead children from the murdercase in Arboga"
Real: "OMG YOU UPLOADED A VIDEO OF A WOMAAAN KILLING A KITTIE WITH HER SHOE! IM BANNING YOU!!!!"

Official: "information should be free, upload all warez to thepiratebay.org!"
Real: "OMG YOU UPLOADED TEH SOURCEKÅD FOR OUR SISTERSITE Piratbyran.org AND EVEN THOUGH THE CREATÅR OF THE CODE TOLD YOU IT WAS OK IM BANNING YOU!!!!111"

fair enough, good points. We agree on that then. If you dont want to get burned, stay away from the fire. That's good and proper advice, and to most people it is self evident.

gloom: its actually a bad idea to sign the tour-management with a major label instead of a smaller company specialized on organising the tours. I think thats what called a 360deal ( when you sign everything, including the tour, with a label) and that kinds of takes the biggest (and last) income away from you.

Heh. Have you ever had a deal with a major label? There is no room for negotiation there - it's either "sign this shit" or "don't sign this shit". If you sign it, then yes, you let yourself be fucked, because the deal is crap. The only option is not to sign then, which was lately my preferred choice.

Also, I'm not really seeing any victim-playing or crying a river going on: I'm just saying that big record companies are almost universally a bad, bad thing, and that my personal experience with them has been bad. That ought to be pretty straight forward.

I am working with ppl having deals with a major label (universal). And they have negociated their deals pretty good.

yes the big labels are universally (hehe) bad but you have a choice, get fucked or not. I didnt argue that they were not bad I just said that ppl should stop acting so suprised when they get fucked by them.

"omfg record companies are just like real companies, trying to make money all the time"

havoc scores!

there are many differeny ways of trying to make money. Gangsters are just trying to make money too. ok, so they use methods that are little different from the ones that others use (though not by much), but they are very good darwinian capitalists. that which cannot survive will get fucked and killed. That which could have survived will get fucked and killed after it has been milked. The difference between them and norma business? They don't have as many guns poiting at their costumers as "normal" capitalism does. infact, only the guns they can carry themself, unlike the arsenal of the "industial complex". But this is not about methods, but about ones God given right to make money however you see fit. I fully support the mafia....oh wait, what was the subject again? I think havoc had some point, but I can't figure out what it was exactly.

It pretty much boils down to what type of musician you are. I doubt that most musicians on pouet plays drums in a 5-piece rockband, so I'm taking the "making electronic music at home"-thing pretty much for granted. Big record companies feel that you are somehow worth less than a big band, and therefore will fuck you royally, no matter if your music is brilliant or not. That's the difference..

and I was the one being acused of conpiricytheories

gloom that could be the rason why it seems the majority of pouets musicians are hostile towards the recording industry. To electronic musicians little is easyer than to set up a label (sans the annoying paperwork) and release from it. If the net is not enough distribution for you then there are distribution companies who are very good at what they do who are more than willing to take in new costumers however small. There are several studios who make their living from this very model of working with small independants. In other words, we can for relatively cheap get the service that the labels offer at a high cost, ourselfes. And as dubmood said; you do NOT wan't the label to handle your touring, there are specialized companies who does that much better, which is why the labels use them. so you just get to pay the label to go to them to have the service done.

For most electronic musicians large labels makes little sense anyway, and the feeling is mututal.

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-lawyer-is-biased-calls-for-a-retrial-090423/ the spectrial goes on ^_^

lol@dubmood, touché

what about that most pouet-musicians are hostile towards big labels because pouet-musicans make alternative trackerbased elevatormusic taht big labels dont care about and only finnish ppl can appriciate so then pouetmusicans get jealous for not getting signed and therfore starts ranting on about how evil big labels are? =) might be a long throw, so just a thought.

and about glooms thought about electronic musicans being less worthy for a big label. my experience is the oposite. electronic musicans are more of a moneycow. They dont have much backline, there are only one or two of them in each "group" wich means its really cheap to handle them, its more like a one man group. their "livesets" are mostly DJsets or livePAs wich means that you dont even need to send a soundengineer with them on tour since their output is just a L/R cinch from a DJmixer, less ppl means less costs, cheaper price means more concerts and over all less jobb for more money. You dont need a tourbus for them, or even better you could stick in like 5-6 electronic acts in one tourbus and do a joint tour. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4444444 !½

just look at, lets say justice, atleast before they did their "live"show with fake amplifiers and synced lights etc, they must have been one of the most cost-effective acts there is. 2 guys + a tourmanager, no soundengineer, no lightguy, no runners. smack bang boom instant major label love

I don't think that is a long throw. Ofcourse envy and the fact that big labels do not give 5 pots of piss about our little cozy mudpuddle plays a part. "the truth" is properbly hoovering somewhere around the middle as usual.

My run in's with big labels has been bad. My view on them is that they are for the most part a bunch of smartass big worded "suits" (they dont wear them though) who allows themself a handsome pay to do things that are nearly effortless. Before the time of production, mastering and similar kinds of companies. The label was the defacto doer of all these services, but now, they like everybody else just outsource it to the cheapest supplier. Their own greed has reduced them to little but an expensive middleman. I dont think that they or what they do is inherently evil, but neither is wanting this selfmade leech out of the equation all envy aside :)

aftu, speaking about conspiracy theories ...man. This shit is annoying. Every day I am reminded that all the big words like equal justice, democracy, security for the individuals rights are but words. every day moar shit :(

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=003849996876419856805:erhhdbygrma lol

dubmood: There is no denying that electronic musicians can be a hell of a lot more cost-effective than "traditional" bands. I'm just saying that this doesn't necessarily translate into more money for the artist, since the label knows about the low cost of being an electronic musician these days. Then that low cost turns into a giant (often misguided) marketing machine, then I fail to see why the artist should have to loose income because of desicions taken over his head. :)


Not by me. Besides, it is true -- electronic musicians are "worth less" (not worthless) to a big label, unless they have already gotten a big hit (often on their own, just look at Ugress and his Loungemeister). Face it - to most people, you're not a "real musician" until you play a guitar or rent a tour-bus. :)

I dont really agree that what you describe is the general approach by major labels towards electronic solo-artists. and I dont know what ugress and his loungemeister is sorry.

I feel that we get the same aproach with or without tourbus wherever we go. And then, renting a tourbus doesnt make us much different than the avarage group of footballsuporters or kids on a schooltrip, just that its cheaper for the organiser since they dont need to pay for hotels, wich in that case makes us more like vagabonds than rockstars. =)

Oh lol - the judge works for a Swedish copyright organisation:

Judge Tomas Norstrom is a member of the Swedish Copyright Association and sits on the board of Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8014626.stm

Anyone smell the sweet scent of corruption?

HAHAHA !