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Btw, since I don't have vista, where can I find the original song? :D

(piracy is not a crime)

If you haven't got the file tonight, I can probably supply it ;)

the kb song is way cooler than the original.
the 4k rocks HARD.

i can't see where the problem is?

puryx, just for comparison, coders get all kinds of stuff for free too, these days - it's not just "evolution" why 4ks are so much cooler now than in the nineties - it's also the fact that the whole 3d engine, plus geometry, plus half the shading code, is delegated to the hardware + d3d/gl + d3dx/glu. this creates more space for content, design, etc. exactly the same holds for music.

you *know* we'd all be using the directsound filters too, if they sucked less and could be called in a smaller way. imho there's no difference between getting raw materials (sounds, geometry, etc) for free from the os or processing code (filters, polyfillers, etc); it's often the processing code that does the magic, anyway. like shown by texas and kelsey's comment.

but yeah now i did it even though you were right that we can discuss this until we drop dead :)

skrebbel: I know that you get a lot for free! - however a 3d engine, shader options, etc doesn't really force your intro to look in some particular way.

Using pre-manufactured sound (dunno what to call it otherwise) means that you're getting a sound that is somehow already setting a mood - which of course works awesome in this case, but if you hear the track, no will have NO doubt, that by far most of the sound-impression/feeling comes from that very track, and less from the 4k authors themselves. As stated many times before, had they used just a bit longer slices from the tune, then they would certainly have crossed my border :)

the thing is, you can cosider it lame (as i do) but its not close to cheating really. a standard vista installation can run it. therefore its perfectly legal.

they were just lucky no other (shitty) 4k already used that song somehow, which is mainly due to no other 4k compo (of which i know) had vista allowed by now.

it will be interesting to see what they can do if they need to use a real synth or at least gm.dls the next time, because sound is at least for me the real challanging part of 4ks

that's just because they're the first ones who used it. per comparison, at some point all 64ks and 4ks started having text with arial; someone had gotten the idea to use windows fonts instead of expensive data for greets, credits, etcetera. these all looked the same. then people discovered that it sucked that all these texts looked the same, and decided to do more creative things with these fonts.

i'm sure the same will happen with the vista content. the only reason they got away with using big parts is because nobody'd done it before. when we all start using more of the vista content, we'll recognise it being used, which will be considered cheap because we've heard it so often before. unless the artists do something special with it, which either means we won't even notice, or it'll make us smile and say "cool!". like i smiled and said "cool!" when i discovered that all scenes in panoptriptrikum are made with the arial font.

this doesn't really have much to do with size at all, really: the first time people used the amen drumloop it wasn't considered lame either.

Btw. what part of Vista is that song? I mean is it some sample music in the documents folder or is it some hidden stuff in some system folder?
I'm asking because I use to clean up all the unnecessary stuff on a fresh windows install, sample pictures, sample music, backgrounds, templates, etc.
Not that I would use Vista, just asking :)

oh that was a reply to puryx btw

did you read the credits?

and just for completeness i consider using gm.dls lame too :)
i used it exactly once and since then never again.

okok gopher, i'll spoil the surprise: yes, loaderror can code awesome synths without vista sounds and gm.dls and similar tricks. proven, because they run on amiga.

the keypoint with those clever hacks is to be the first to use them :P

at least we can be quite sure that there will be another "best 4k ever" some day :) even if it may take a while ( perhaps until windows 7 ;) )

puryx: you won't answer me but are you thinking of using your 4k tools to compete in the 64k range against panic room or debris ? ;)

Zest: no... that doesn't make any sense at all - to do a proper 64k we would need refined tools, since you can do much more refined content for a 64k!

Using our 4k tricks and tools for a 64k would at best result in a mediocre 64k

Yes, that is exactly where it is.

Well that's... daring :)

Will there be an xp port? (yes, i know the song wouldn't be there, meaning it'd need a sample pack attached, which would probably make it huge, but being able to run it at all would be good)

psonice: I seriously doubt it. The intro uses DirecX 10, which is only available for Windows Vista. Besides, there's not really a point once there's a decent video-cap.

psonice: sadly, it's dx10 too.

BTW, it could be fun to replace those songs in the sample folder with some other songs and see what happens. Remix time! ;)

Lord Graga: I was thinking the same thing!

dll are not present on my vista, it's a shame to be obliged to download such a thing. but it's a really cool 4k.

the_aharonid: so, maybe it's time for you to install directX 10?...